Surely the issue is getting people to go to pubs when they’re open, not that they’re not open later.
Exactly what the UK needed, more drunk arseholes.
Have you tried not being an utter clusterfuck tobogganing towards fascism instead? I heard that works wonders for tourism
Are tourists particularly wary about coming to the UK, I have not heard that.
https://www.smartraveller.gov.au/destinations/europe/united-kingdom
There are literal government advisories. Also anecdotal, but I just spent the evening with an old friend who lived in the uk long enough to get citizenship and he was…unkind in his opinions and possibly of return there
That’s just general warnings about the fact that crime exists.
Also not sure what the terrorism statement is about the last time there was a terrorist in the attack in the UK was ages ago. The threat of a terrorist attack is probably equal in the UK and in Australia.
Who can afford to drink out these days?
Zone 4, London - £2 ales, £4 lagers, loads of families out on a Friday/Saturday night with their kids.
Meals are £15-20 a head though, granted - but enough people just buy a couple of packet of crisps and spread them around the table
Fuck yeah, that’s what I like to hear. Where you getting £2 an ale???
What? Which pub is that? Best I’ve seen is around £5.50 for a guest ale
I think you must be from a parallel universe. Last time I was in London a paint cost £12,
I think this when I see the cost of pints, and yet practically every pub I go to is so rammed it’s frequently difficult to find a seat unless you go early. Same with restaurants.
Apparently a lot of people can afford it
Alcoholics.
I definitely couldn’t. It was like £70 minimum to have a good night! And that’s only sticking to pints, and not counting cigs or the inevitable kebab or chicken for supper! That three or four times a week is basically a grand a month. Ridiculous money.
Not too worry. Keep that up and you can save money by not contributing to a pension.
Not buying cigarettes with almost certainly cut the price, they are by far the most expensive thing on that list. Honestly it’s probably cheaper to have a cocaine addiction. Which I also don’t recommend by the way.
Late licences (to 5am in Scotland) are the main reason I fled Edinburgh’s Old Town for the suburbs. No fun having your front door used as a toilet, drunks ranting and fighting in the close at 3am, having to dodge “pavement pizzas” every night. Yay, growth!
Seriously!
How will a few drunkards hit up the economy, when most people struggle to buy their second round?
Also, how are you going to help the economy if you’re staying out until 1am, when you should be going to work the next day hungover?
I imagine it’s not seen as a magic silver bullet that will fix our whole economy, but rather as a bit of help for one specific industry.
Can’t they just reduce the tax on drinking in a pub so they can take more profit from what’s spent? Most alcoholics drink at home now anyway.
Honestly, I support this.
Pubs are constantly getting squeezed out by competition from supermarkets and whilst I’m not a big drinker or even a regular at a pub, it’s a part of British culture that should be preserved.
HOWEVER, if we’re talking about legal reforms to preserve pub culture, there’s many other issues that need addressing.
Examples include: Brewery-owned pubs being one of the worst types of franchise business for squeezing “owners” out of every last penny and having a ridiculous amount of control on how the pub is run even if the Landlord/lady has other ideas about how it should be run.
The power of brewerys over the pubs they control needs to be weakened.
It’s fairly easy to convert a pub into a single residencey and little to no planning permission is required. It’s impossible to return a former pub back to being a pub even if the community consents. Given that pub is short for “Public House” when more of these were vital parts of the community, said community should have first right-to-buy dibs to keep it going for the community.
Freehouses should have lower rates and brewerys should not be allowed to pressure freehouses into dropping that status in exchange for not paying exorbitant prices for produce.
Weatherspoons and StoneGate need to be broken up and the Franchise model needs replacing with a Cooperative model.
And as a last example, repealing the ban on gambling games and replacing it with more sensible regulation. E.g. games cannot allow the house to take a cut of winnings, must be organised by a regular patron, limited to a single night of the week, with a simple one page from registering with the gambling association so the appropriate authorities are aware, and a limit on the monetary value per round.
That last one is two fold:
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Small friendly bets on card games in pubs is less likely to drain gambling-prone people’s income than a betting shop and comes with an inbuilt support network.
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Smaller “don’t-take-the-piss” events and clubs with a light touch of regulation is much better for keeping the peace and not causing social problems than letting large corporate betting shops swallow the high street whole along with desperate and addicted people’s money to a tax haven.
it’s a part of British culture that should be preserved
Why?
It’s the cornerstone of interacting with your local community in the UK. You don’t even have to drink, it’s a cozy, generally quiet place to socialise.
It’s the cornerstone of interacting with your local community in the UK.
No it isn’t. My interactions with my local community never take place in a pub. I don’t think I know anyone who would consider the pub to be the “cornerstone of their interacting” with anybody at all, local community or otherwise. Frankly your description seems bizarre.
You don’t even have to drink, it’s a cozy, generally quiet place to socialise.
This doesn’t accord with my experience at all. I’d feel very out of place if I just hung around in a pub for any length of time without buying anything. Pubs aren’t social centres, they’re businesses.
I do most of my social hangouts at pubs, be it to have a nice indoors place to chat (esp when it gets late) or to play Magic. Same with most of my friends.
Even if I go outside of my friend group, pubs are usually full, of young people too, and there’s a reason their name is a shortened version of “public house”. Sure you could argue younger generations are going to the pub less and less, but to say that historically it has not been the social centre of UK towns is false.
Also for your last bit, if at least some at the group buys something it should be fine, obv don’t go to a pub and take up space without giving them any money. It doesn’t even have to be alcoholic drinks either.
I do most of my social hangouts at pubs
Ah so the type of place where you hang out is the type of place that “should” be preserved. Now I understand why you think that.
to say that historically it has not been the social centre of UK towns is false
I haven’t said that.
obv don’t go to a pub and take up space without giving them any money
LOL you think you can give me advice
Me? I didn’t even make the original comment. On one hand you dismiss the historical status of pubs as community places by isolating me enjoying it as an individually me thing (I guess I’m single handedly keeping all the pubs in the UK in business; also nice job cutting out me saying I’m seeing a lot of younger people at pubs too to make your argument sound better), then you say you are not doing that exact thing? Make it make sense, without the preachy “ah I’ve read you like a book” attitude.
Also, rude. I think we’re done here, not sure what got your ego all hurt but we were just having a discussion here.
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Feeding the prison industrial complex
Prison industrial complex… in the UK? Where we don’t utilise prison Labour, and prison spaces are highly unprofitable?
Schism is highly valuable to societies organized on eternal growth, and the failure of keeping the masses divorced from understanding profit, abundance, and value as more than actual money is highly profitable to those societies. Although in indirect ways, these things are indeed monitarily profitable.
Something about the cost of everything and value of nothing.
While at the same time we’re banning fizzy drink refills…? Make it make sense!
We aren’t.
We are banning free refills only for high-sugar drinks.
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Because we all know how much more efficient you work when hungover and still a little drunk …
