People aren’t ready to hear that the way forward is decentralized communities sharing resources. They want something extremely centralized like communism.
There is benefit in centralization in ensuring standards (such as rail gauge, radio frequency bands, V AC, flight paths, what side of the road you drive on, cohesion of communication symbols, baud rates, pollution mitigation, food quality, etc) and resolving inter communal conflicts, and facilitating complex research and development that would otherwise be unachievable by a smaller group alone (like pharma or clean energy research).
While standards can arise naturally across disparate small groups (such as US rail gauge) a central body can expedite adoption, and enforce standards that are unlikely to arise of their own volition (such as pollution mitigation, and food quality).
That’s not to say we ought to exclusively have a monolithic centralized control structure, but that there should be something to help the small groups work together and do what they otherwise couldn’t.
So you just missed the part where they said sharing resources? That would include intellectual resources. Tribal meeting could easily achieve what you are suggesting a boot is needed for
So you just missed the part where not all parties are likely to adopt burdensome practices if they can get away with it? What happens if two parties decide not to dump industrial waste in the drinking party and a third party who’s further upstream realizes that dumping industrial waste in the drinking water doesn’t hurt them, is easy to dispose of in that way, only impacts parties they don’t have agreements with downstream, and they just don’t care?
Current US government is shutdown down because the two sides can’t come to an agreement on a budget to include if health care protections should be stripped from some of the most vulnerable.
The people engaged in that decision are there because they were chosen in elections. Trump is president because he was chosen in an election. SCOTUS is stacked with Republican justices because the people that get to pick them were put there in elections.
America still has elections and though the choices may not be great the results are not (yet) predetermined; one of those options is undeniably better. My next election I get to vote on if all children in public school should have access to food.
Yeah, the electoral system is deeply flawed but there’s really only two ways to change it–replace the government by force or replace the government by electing people willing to push reforms in enough numbers to do something about it. It’s the system we find ourselves in and participation is not an endorsement, but a means to an end.
It should never be “just Vote,” but instead “Vote and.” If you can spend hours at protests, feeding those in need, hosting theory book clubs, studying, engaging in activism, etc then you can take 1 hour a year to vote.
It’s the system we find ourselves in
Abolish the system, and you abolish the problems with it.
I agree, how do you propose we do that? In my comment you just replied to I laid out two options–did you have a third?
yes. organized and armed resistance, followed by methodical purging of fascists afterwards. think kirk neck fountains, but on a larger scale.
Seeing as you have not done that yet, it would appear that voting would be, well, more than you have done :) How do you justify your complacency and subjugation to the system you pretend to loathe?
I need a few liberals to stop being smug little pieces of shit and get off their asses to help. so whever you finally feel like enough minorities have been killed, lemme know.
As a part of at least one of those minorities: fuck you!
You let me know why you thought not filling out a slip of paper was more important than the lives of my brothers and sisters.
I did vote, shitstain, in every election that I’ve been old enough to participate in. I also vote in my local elections.
wanna try again?
Are you the one who’s going to decide who is Fascist and who isn’t? By what criteria exactly?
That would be the first proposal:
replace the government by force
awesome, let’s do that then.
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/voting-is-not-harm-reduction
The actual pamphlet
Sure. But simply ignoring formal politics doesn’t achieve anything, either.
I’d go even further than that, and argue that anarchist’s disjointed narratives regarding the “formal” election process achieves little more than marginalising radical politics even further whenever the election cycle slips into high gear.
Sure. But simply ignoring formal politics doesn’t achieve anything, either.
I’m hearing you say we need to start shooting more people in the neck until the system collapses and we can build something better.
Thats definitely what i heard too
I’m hearing you say we need to start shooting more people in the neck
That’s what you heard? Well… then I have to ask - how many divisions do you have?
Alright then, don’t vote and disenfranchise yourself. We’ll see how that works out for you
Liberals love threats.
Please don’t vote: see how that works?
Ok, but not voting is harm increasement.
I’m not looking to legitimize settler colonialism, I’m looking to abolish it. Your so-called democracy should not exist in the first place, since it was built with the blood of indigenous and people of color.
The United States is a terrorist state, and voting will never change that.
Voting is not legitimizing. If that was how voting worked, authoritarian regimes would require votes.
I’m not American.
The lesser evil is still less evil. Not voting actively makes your goals more unattainable.
I’m not American.
it’s cute that you though I was talking just about the United States there. no, I also meant whatever fucked up little self-rightous democracy you’re from as well.
The lesser evil is still less evil.
the lesser of two evils is still evil. maybe you’re the kind of shitstain that figures it’s ok to vote for Diet Evil just because they’re targeting a minority you don’t like, but I’m not going to compromise on my morals just because it doesn’t affect me personally.
Whenever I read a comment such as yours, I get the distinct impression that you actually relish the thought of causing suffering.
You self-glorify through the thought of “Well I did not support this system! If everyone was like me, this would all be solved!” - it’s so easy, right? All those people experiencing additional suffering because you are too lazy to cast a vote sure are grateful to you for sticking to your principals, heroically practicing non-participation in a system built on suffering by… furthering that suffering. Hey, wait a minute!
I don’t even know why I am writing all this out. Chances are you are either a troll, a bot, or simply so deeply misguided that nothing I say could possibly reach you.
At some level though, you must know that making it easier for fascists to seize power actively hurts what you claim to stand for. You could always move the needle a little by voting, and still do whatever you believe needs doing beyond that; those are not mutually exclusive.
Whenever I read a comment such as yours, I get the distinct impression that you actually relish the thought of causing suffering.
yes, I positively celebrate fascists getting killed, and I prefer it to be as brutal as possible. I absolutely agree and admit to that.
heroically practicing non-participation in a system built on suffering by… furthering that suffering
keeping the system alive is furthering the suffering. you’re doing no less harm than trump is, you right-wing appeasing clown. get off your knees and start actually doing something to end the suffering.
Good news! I am doing something! I’m an active part of a vehemently anti-fascist party in my country! And I’m proud to say that we’ve been passing actually progressive legislation and being the stop-block against a slide right.
How about yourself? Have you actually done anything besides shitposting?
If you’d fight in the revolution, but not fight in the revolution and cast a vote, I seriously question your commitment to the fighting-in-the-revolution part.
I did vote, shitstain, in every election that I’ve been old enough to participate in. I also vote in my local elections.
wanna try again?see above, liberal.
Have you actually done anything besides shitposting?
I don’t fed post.
