This was bound to happen, and it’s ridiculous

  • irmadlad@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    I’ve been biting my tongue hard these past few months in a concerted effort not to be offensive. I’m not trying to be intentionally offensive, however, I feel there is an element in this situation that is being disregarded in favor of someone else doing your work. When I say ‘You’, Your’, etc, I mean it in the royal sense. So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.

    If it’s genuinely for the children, then when are we going to require parents to be parents? Look, you brought this service into your home voluntarily. You might say ‘Well I need it for work’ or ‘I need it for school’. Tons of people use hundreds of thousands of hotspots daily to do their thing on the internet. This service you voluntarily brought into your house, has both the ability to be highly beneficial and highly detrimental all in the same breath. Technology always, always, always wields a double edged sword.

    And what do the majority of parents do with such power? They give it to their vulnerable, under aged, highly curious, children, un-monitored, uncensored, and uninhibited. Are you insane? So when little Johnny is caught surfing porn hub, the parents freak and cry out to their government ‘We need to ban porn!’ No! What we need is for parents to be parents.

    There are literally hundreds of services, and ways to lock down your internet. I hear parents say ‘I’m not technologically inclined.’ Get there. The safety and well being of your children hang in the balance. Take a class at your local Tech College. I’d be willing to bet that when little Johnny’s mom was pregnant, she most likely did some reading on the topic. Some even take a class on childbirth. The internet should be no different. Access one or two of the billions of tuts out on the internet.

    Now, will locking down your internet like a multi-billion dollar enterprise with a Brinks Kit keep little Johnny from seeing some skin? No! Why? Because it’s natural for humans to want to see what other humans look like naked. Children are naturally inquisitive. The prime directive of all life is to replicate. So, have frank, open, direct, and yes, awkward conversations with your children. Let them know in no uncertain terms what is acceptable on your network. Tell them why these things are not appropriate for their age group. This relationship with your children starts at Day 1.

    You have 18 years of boot camp to equip your children with all the tools necessary to make wise, prudent decisions in life. You probably taught them how to ride a bicycle, or drive a car, or any number of teaching opportunities parents have with their children. The internet should be no different. We live in a technological time line that is ever changing, so it behooves parents to know exactly what is going on with their technology and how their children are using it. Get with it.

    Being a parent takes work. Being a network administrator also takes work. Anyone who is a seasoned veteran of this chan knows, to secure a network in order to be as private, secure, and anonymous as possible on the internet, takes work. I find, a large portion of parents are unwilling to do the work and would rather fob off their responsibilities as a parent, to the government having jurisdiction. I’m not painting all parents with this brush. Kudos to parents who are very involved in their children’s lives. There are enough of them tho, that are not, and this is a big issue. It gives governments the justification they desire to surveil their citizenry.

    Let the roast begin.

    • Crozekiel@lemmy.zip
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      “I need internet at home for work!” - Okay, so plug in the one computer you work on? Do you really need to blast 100% of your home with internet via Wi-Fi, probably not. Even if you do (for some reason), why do you then also have to give little Timmy a Wi-Fi capable tablet at all? Download some episodes of Paw Patrol and let your kid watch them offline…

    • Sturgist@lemmy.ca
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      So, warm up the downvote finger and man the flame throwers.

      cracks knuckles, pulls out pitchfork and flamethrower

      reads full comment

      Goddamnit… they’re right…

      throws toys out the pram

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          I’m not totally fine but I’m not not fine either, and I would say it’s kind of because the internet but it’s also not because the internet.

          Either way, mom and dad would have had no chance of stopping me unless they turned the house into 1984 in 1996, which would have been way worse than anything the internet did to me (except for all the shit we’re living through of course !)

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        Can’t tell if serious. I am older than the internet. I’m not sure what that has to do with the issues of governmental surveillance under the guise of ‘for the chirren.’

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    Same religious garbage they’ve been trying to pull for the last 75+ years.

    “Someone think of the CHILDREN!!!”.

    They scream, as they take away your rights to information, privacy, and anything else that they possibly can. They don’t want you to have rights.

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      I agree, using saas services is a curse.

      If you don’t self host your goon llm she’s a prostitute

  • pankuleczkapl@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    This is so fucking stupid, you cannot stop VPNs, because things like ShadowSocks exist. When will they learn that the only way to stop VPNs is to disable the internet completely. As long as the internet exists, VPNs will too. Ask your friend Xi Jinping about that.

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      Xi Jinping will be more than happy to provide consultation work for the UK government. Stop giving them ideas.

      VPN use in China is effectively banned. Big corporations serve shittier Facebook that 99% of the population is satisfied with.

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        Having spent the last year living in China I can tell you that about 50% of the people I asked have them. I even ended up using one recommended by a local because it worked better than the western one I had been using.

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    I skipped a word in that title and read

    Stop using VPNs to watch porn, ministers told

    Which i prefer, honestly

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    1 month ago

    They’re probably thinking --> “Damn it, how dare these future employees watch pornography and undermine their motivation to work?”

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    I know none of this is actually about protecting kids… But even if it was, their reasoning and methodology sucks.

    some of the 16 to 21-year-olds surveyed saying they had viewed it “aged six or younger”.

    So there may have been a problem at least 10 years ago. Does that problem still exist? (never mind the obvious “is the problem parents ignoring their kids on a tablet”…)

    Josh Lane was addicted to porn by 14-years-old after first finding it via a Google search when he was aged 12.

    Okay, now let’s address the parents being the problem. By default, Google’s “Safe Search” is on, and the kid actively searched for porn. So no parental supervision of the 12 year old kid on the internet. Someone setup a google account, and changed the default settings to show those results. (oh, but that person is 25 now, so that was also 13 years ago…)

    Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them. Parents being willfully ignorant isn’t going to be resolved by legislation. They know that. This is all a smoke screen to put the entire population behind a firewall and control the narrative. It isn’t even a very thick smoke screen.

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      Almost all of the big websites have parental control settings that would alleviate the vast majority of these “problems” if parents actually used them.

      Nope. Parental controls in general suck and are often bare bones just for a semblance of legal compliance. Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either

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        Parents don’t have access to every device children have access to either

        Either parents or the school… and if the school doesn’t have a pretty significantly locked down network, that’s a separate problem.

        Also, you’re right, I misspoke. While some of the bigger websites have decent-ish parental controls, I was more thinking of device specific parental controls. The amount you can lock-down (and monitor) a phone you give your 12 year old is pretty impressive. I’d rather parents did that than hand the monitoring, censoring, and access over to various government agencies all over the world.

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    A friend recently told me that palantir has some sort of stake in this data management for the OSA? Is this true? I know they’ve had a deal with NHS England for a few years

    If so, our world is taking a very scary turn

    If anyone hasn’t I’d advise to do research on palantir, Peter thiel and Curtis Yarvin for a window into the psychology of the people pushing us down this road

    Here’s a great video on the subject

    • birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      If Thiel’s mafia organisation (I refuse to call that scrap by sir Tolkien’s works’ names) has a deal with the NHS, then that should be ended ASAP. Fuck that, that’s some serious spying.

      Capitalism is shit, but there are things where it especially NEVER, EVER should have any access, power or influence, directly or indirectly:

      • Health services
      • Parliaments, committees, assemblies
      • Nature
      • Housing
      • Water and food
      • National security