“The United States, too, has a single party system. But in typical American extravagance they have two of them.”
Thank God this image not only has the label “Venn Diagram” but also has a big red arrow pointing to the center and labeled “things the two parties have in common”. I had forgotten the name of this extremely common diagram and I also had no idea how it worked.
So, so American!
“America is one party state. However in the typical American exuberance, they have two of them”
We have to have two, to keep the masses fighting, thinking one will bring change the other can’t. It takes the eye off the ball from the oligarchs, industrial war machine, the three rogue letter spy agencies, and most of all the Zionist influence. Brain-dead voters will scream across the isle at each other, “but my candidate is slightly better than your candidate!” Logic has left the room.
US Democracy = Vote Far Rights or Fascists to combat this terrible Comunism, wearing shirts in Stars and Stripes design. Neo-liberal feudalism
One side created secret police and are kidnapping people off of the streets to put into concentration camps. End of fucking discussion.
Liberals continue to demonstrate they don’t consider foreigners human
When Trump terminated the USAID, Some very liberal who used to advocate for “Women and children” people came out with how No USAID means the USA will lose leverage,like We know you don’t care but at least don’t promote such disgusting foulplays.
lmfao Obama vastly expanded the surveillance programs Bush started after 9/11 https://time.com/3909293/edward-snowden-obama-nsa-spying/
You’re an ignoramus and you should be ashamed of yourself. End of fucking discussion.
And why exactly isn’t this other party, so different, doing anything to prevent that?
Could it be because you have only two viable parties and they’re nearly identical, thus having no actual opposition that could overcome abuses by the dominant party at any given point in time? Something other countries have a lot of experience with?
Building on a police state that was 50% pre-built by The Other Party™ but hey who could have thought that bad guys could ever take advantage of it!
Exactly. When terrorists take over a police station it’s really the police’s fault for existing the first place.
And the other side was in power for 4 years but did nothing to prevent this from happening
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So what you’re saying is that the electorates are completely different? Exactly. Thanks for that.
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I agreed with you about the actual issue but wtf. You do realize the United States has 340 million people and lager that whatever country you likely love in, right? There are many diverse political postions here, but you won’t see them in our duopoly…
Like yeah the Dems played a roll in funding and using the police state. They want itm they love West wing TV style politics where they think they are the good guys and can’t critically consider any positive future and therefore end up being shit libs at best.
The republicans actively want to kill everyone for profit.
The Dems actively support the modern Holocaust.
Biden didn’t shut down any of the ICE concentration camps Trump opened the last time he was president.
Also Guantanamo Bay has had bipartisan support since the beginning.
Just a reminder that the function of the Democratic party is to continually reduce expectations so that this diagram seems reasonable.
add gay vs god to the outsides
maybe something on immigration and racism
DNC never sent DHS and ice to deport and create fake crimes against my Muslim friend for being an Iranian student in physics. But sure, both sides.
To be fair, you have to credit Democrats with Obamacare which was really a way to improve the lives of poorer people
You mean Romney care without the public option. Obamacare is more conservative than the actual republican plan…
Which is the Republicans’ fault, they’re the ones that forced the public option out of the bill.
Can you not see that the people who are disagreeing with you are merely suggesting that it is not as black and white as it being the democrats fault, or the republicans fault, that perhaps there’s more to it than which corporate/aipac/billionaire donor football team you like?
The donor class owns both teams by the way.
It’s the corporate dems and the corporate republicans who are holding back progress… because of legal bribery - campaign donations….
By your logic, democrats blocked 100% of Biden’s agenda while he was in office.
Biden literally accomplished nothing during his administration, and even the dumb stuff that was passed has been clawed back already.
I don’t like football
Good for you I guess?
It’s not fair to say that he accomplished nothing! Bombing kids, backing a genocide, taking money from the working-class and poor, and giving it to his rich friends, helping to build out the border wall, increasing funding for the police and surveillance state…
All that work aint easy.
One half-baked concession to the poor doesn’t imply their party platform is about improving the lives of poor people.
And the 2000s bank bailouts.
Also, cash for clunkers?
Man Obamacare really did a lot to help the Libyans getting bombed by NATO forces.
Obamacare was always a rhetorical device to prove how unserious the GOP is at governing.
Obamacare is responsible for finding the masses in my breasts right now so I like it. I’d like it more if just everyone could go to the doctor and not have to ask, like I do, “is it covered by my insurance”
I credit Dems with making Mitt Romney’s healthcare plan worse, by removing the public option - the thing that would have actually improved the lives of poorer people. Instead, we simply shoveled some 30mil Americans right into the pockets of predatory insurance companies.
The only silver lining from that legislation was preventing them from denying care due to pre-existing conditions, and that point has been an all out battleground ever since.
And that stuff about abortion shouldn’t even be there after they didn’t do anything for it.
the rights were appealed under genocide Joe
… By the Supreme Court Trump packed?
After the dems didn’t codify it in law even though they had control
Really the only thing that needs to be put in the “Democrats only” section is: Lip Service. It sums up every issue they are supposedly “better” on.
Last election the uncomitted wanted basically only lip servce but didn’t get even that.
“Which side are you on?”
The “two party” system is on the same side.
interesting to see right wing memes even on lemmy.
We may have got here eventually anyway, but things are a lot worse for Americans right now because of Trump’s Republicans. Let’s not lose sight of that when complaining about the shit they have in common.
There’s also nobody who might emerge out of the right who would bring something that will make life for everyone better. Only the Democrats have a chance of doing that and engineering a better system that might eventuallyundermine their own political hegemony. Would they without pressure? Of course not. But the right will never even be pressured to do anything like that intentionally by it’s base, almost by definition basically.
Only the Democrats have a chance of doing that and engineering a better system that might eventuallyundermine their own political hegemony.
No they don’t
But the right will never even be pressured to do anything like that intentionally by it’s base,
The Democrats couldn’t be pressured to stop doing genocide even at the cost of losing the election
I don’t think you’re listening. That’s one of the issues both sides share in common that sucks. Doesn’t change the fact they’re our only hope.
If your only hope is a party comitting genocide you might as well abandon it and look elsewhere
Where?
PSL, DSA or whoever organizes where you currently are
You can and should support them as they align with your values, but you’ll never get enough votes for them to have any chance of overthrowing the big two. It has to be changed from within, unless you’re prepared to try violence.
Since changing from within is impossible, and voting in a new party is highly unlikely, it seems the revolutionaries were right all along.
Fuck voting, organizing is where its at. I swear if just half the free time as some people on here… (not you specifically)
Listen to yourself. You’re saying the Democrats are our only hope yet they also don’t listen.
Democrats do listen, but only to those with power. Before anything can change for the better we need power for ourselves.
The thing is that your asking tankies to be pragmatic about policy. They would rather let the Palestinian Genocide continue and works lose more rights than to do anything helpful in the near or medium term. They just aren’t serious about the issues.
Its easy for the .ml types to cry and wait for a perfect policy or candidate. They aren’t going hungry, nor under seige of any kind.
The thing is that your asking tankies to be pragmatic about policy.
This “pragmatism” is how we got here in the first place.
Its easy for the .ml types to cry and wait for a perfect policy or candidate.
We’re not looking for a perfect candidate under bourgeois democracy, because we know it will never happen. Previously:
The US government was never not captured by the bourgeoisie, because the US was born of a bourgeois revolution[1]. The wealthy, white, male, land-owning, largely slave-owning Founding Fathers constructed a bourgeois state with “checks and balances” against the “tyranny of the majority”. It was never meant to represent the majority—the working class—and it never has, despite eventually allowing women and non-whites (at least those not disenfranchised by the carceral system) to vote. BBC: [Princeton & Northwestern] Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
We’re not looking for a perfect candidate under bourgeois democracy, because we know it will never happen. Previously:
In either case you’re not doing shit and you’re not a serious movement. Tankies don’t vote to minimize harm, nor do they vote to expand the progressive wing.
You all are effectively the ratchet democratsyou laughs at because you ultimately won’t show or organize for anything. Tankies aren’t serious people.
Schrodinger’s leftists; simultaneously the reason the Democrats lost the election and the biggest obstacle to progress, but also not a serious movement.
Non.voting is the largest block going back multiple cycles. Trolls like you are concerned but not enough to show up. I’m aware of your trolling, so I won’t entertain you much more
I’m listening, I just think you’re wrong.
And I brought up that issue specific to show that the Democrats also “will never even be pressured to do anything like that intentionally by it’s base”
Progressive social change has always occurred under the auspices of the left-most of the two major parties. That’s just how it overwhelmingly is. What’s not to agree with? How do you think progress will happen next time it happens?
The hallmark progressive achievements made in this country, many that still exist today (to varying degrees ofc) were a result of third party sweat, blood and tears. Literally.
I recommend reading about the social/workers rights movements of the early 1900s. The Progressive Party led by Roosevelt, The Bull Moose Party with social reformers like Jane Addams and Florence Kelly, the Socialist Party of Eugene Debs… all of these were most prominent in fighting for and ultimately producing a cluster of social welfare, social insurance reforms, women’s suffrage, workers rights/5 day work week, etc.
It was the dedication, pressure and will to not fall in line trying to change the two-party duopoly from within but to build their own coalitions, their own movements on the outside, and thus the mainstream parties were eventually forced to inscribe the populus demands into legislation.
All that to say, healthy third parties are a good thing. It builds actual pressure on your constituents. You can’t take votes away from politicians who refuse to legislate on your behalf when they know you’re voting for them anyway – all the while lining their pockets with money from the bourgeois they actually legislate for. Seeking the change you wish to see via third party can and has produced tremendous gains for the working class.
Genocide Joe, you’re my only hope
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This meme seeks to get an emotional response and it’s good at it. There’s some hidden truth there.
But both parties are nowhere the same and wouldn’t have a problem with such a two party system in different countries.
But they’re only parties, with all that brings. They alone won’t make the US a better country.
You say, from the instance whose admins and mods decided to go full Zionist
Yes, that’s what I say.
