• skozzii@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    So are we gonna get a TACO pool going… everyone bet which day Trump caves and winner takes all.

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    2 months ago

    Just match the American tariffs. They will end up doing the same thing as they did with China: end up backing off.

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    2 months ago

    Carney needs to grow a pair. I’ve had enough of him not saying anything. We voted for elbows up, not subservience. I’m still not clear what we got for the DST removal.

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        2 months ago

        HAHAHA I hate the Cons and am an NDP voter who lent Carney my vote (first time voting Lib, actually) because I felt a Con government would handle Trump exactly the way Carney apparently is doing, apparently.
        That will likely be the first and last time, that is for sure.

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      2 months ago

      He wants housing prices to remain elevated, you dont get that by cutting off your supply of USD.

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      2 months ago

      I’m also an NDP voter that voted LPC over CPC. I knew we wouldn’t get Value(s) Carney, but I do believe that if anyone is going to shift capitalism in a better direction it would be him.

      As a former bouncer I completely disagree that silence is a sign of weakness or subservience. That’s just good tact. Never argue with an idiot, they’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

      Elbows Up doesn’t mean you should draw a penalty. You’re supposed to hit them hard and get away with it.

      As far as the DST. I find it interesting that a tax we never collected is being framed as a loss we deserve compensation for.

      A month ago I thought bills C-2 & C-5 were overreach, and their lack of oversight definitely is… I wrote several letters to that effect. But given the continuation of Trumps annexation rhetoric, I now recognize those bills were designed for a political environment that is still burgeoning.

      Based on Trumps usage of ICE I believe it’s inevitable that the USA will use domestic crossings to affect some form of hybrid war against Canada. Russia & China will certainly occupy northern Canada if we don’t rapidly expand our national infrastructure.

      These threats I believe to justify deprioritizing environmental concerns, to a degree.

      I think the silver lining is that Carney’s energy expansion in to oil/gas is not mutually exclusive with expanding renewable energy.

      I also sold mortgages for a short time and saw the industry change more in 24 months than 24 years. I agree that the least harmful economic solution to housing is to freeze housing prices where they are until cost of living and supply normalize. The alternative of housing prices drop would have a net negative effect. The CMHC in 2014 & 15 made major changes to reduce Canadian borrowing power to avoid a post mortgage crisis of mass defaults like what we saw in the USA.

      I think the world is too volatile right now to expect concrete plans that aren’t heavily hedged. Carney is playing the game correctly by holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

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        Housing prices rose because we brought in 1.4 million people in a single year and tripled immigration, blaming capitalism for that seems a bit silly. Trying to implement price controls is great but how do you decide who gets the cheaper house, you’ve done nothing to improve the supply while the demand continues to increase.

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          You shouldn’t blame the immigrants or the Feds for that cockup. That is ENTIRELY on the Provinces.

          We need more people, especially young, working professionals who produce high-value products. We have an aging population that is barely having babies at replacement level, and we need younger taxpayers coming into the system to help keep it propped up. We’re currently top-heavy in terms of demographics (thanks to the Boomer generation being the largest generation in at least the last two centuries), so we need those people otherwise the shit is going to hit the fan WAY worse than a housing crisis.

          The Provinces knew the Feds were going to bring in more people. They knew we needed more housing. But many of them listened to the NIMBY’s of this world (or thought they could stick it to the Feds and make them look bad) and so did little to nothing to improve the housing situation.

          Housing is nearly 100% a Provincial affair in Canada. You should absolutely be angry about the situation — but the bad guys here aren’t the Federal Government, and it isn’t the immigrants themselves. It’s the Provinces (and through their jurisdiction the Municipalities) who have been ham-stringing housing development.

          Oddly enough, the situation will eventually work itself out as more of the Boomer generation die off (or downsize). Although I suspect it’s going to be a long, slow ramp-up with a smaller cliff at the end (unless immigration is raised again to match the death rate).

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            I don’t disagree that they share blame however things were going fine prior to tripling immigration, was it not?

            It was the Feds that changed the status quo in a rather static ecosystem, and I have a propensity to blame the direct catalyst that lead to the shortage rather than those who failed to adapt at breakneck speeds. Surely building the homes first would be the rational order of operations.

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        holding Canada’s cards close and not telling his bluffs.

        That’s what the “just tell us what you’re doing in the negotiations” crowd seems to miss.

        It would be colossal stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding, and what your planned strategy is.

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          Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.

          • Sun Tzu

          Those people also don’t appreciate that in the context of Trumps unpredictability no publicly made plans would remain unchanged.

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          It would be colossally stupid to put out a press release that tells the other players what cards you’re holding

          There are public commitments that indicate betrayal of Canadians, though:

          • Defense pact with Philippines is direct support for US war on China.
          • G7 statement on “Iran must not have nuclear weapons”, while a platitude, is direct support for all Israel hasbara (weeks/months away since 1980s) and war on Iran. By extention, support for US and their strikes.
          • Ukraine aid is simple continuation of US proxy war on Russia, even as US “forces” colonies to pay for it, including most recent proposal of NATO buying US patriot missiles to gift to Ukraine. Dividing EU from Russia is US policy. Gaslighting people that US is a better ally than Russia is US domination of NATO.
          • Fortress Can Am and banning Chinese investment is further tying/subjugating Ontario/Canada to US without alternatives, and resulting in punishments instead of enthusiasm for the subservience.

          When Trump negotiates publicly with lies and public punishment based on those lies, the private negotiations seem not just pointless, as something Trump won’t listen/abide with, but more than likely a US trick to pacify us, while we get destroyed with full complicity.

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      I’m still not clear what we got for the DST removal.

      The U.S. temporarily ended trade talks in late June over Canada’s digital services tax, but the federal government moved to drop the tax just days later and negotiations resumed.

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        Yes, and apparently they include 35% tariffs across the board now. So the question remains, what did we get for dropping the DST?

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          The trade talks have “included tariffs” the entire time, and the question does not remain because we got trade talks with the US reopened after dropping the DST that the US cancelled after we implemented it.

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            So he acts like a child and we are supposed to be honoured that he came back to the table? These aren’t trade talks. They are extortion and this fucking clown ripped up HIS OWN AGREEMENT.

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          Can you explain to me how the US cancels trade talks over the DST, Canada drops the DST, and the US resumes trade talks in response to the dropped DST is not the answer to the question “What did we get for the DST removal?”?

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            Resuming trade talks is not getting something in return from the orange one. What did we get?

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              I am not going to argue with you over your own opinion regarding what it means to “get something” in a trade talk.

              Fact is the US ended all trade negotiations over the DST, meaning we won’t discuss trading any further, until Canada dropped the DST and the US reopened negotiations. Which means “ability to negotiate trade again” is literally “what we got”.

              I am sorry that is not good enough for you, but that is what happened and you can verify it through basically any source.

  • lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world
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    Bring it, bitch.

    I will never visit the us again. i cancelled netflix, prime, apple music. i use crave, cbc gem, and qobuz now. i installed ubuntu on my old surface pro and it works beautifully. switched to libre office. my next phone will be a fairphone.

    when i go to the grocery store, if an item i want is a product of the usa, i eat something else.

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      I’ve done all this and I am ensuring it is generational in our house by teaching my young kids to avoid American products and services. They’re pretty good at it already.

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      I also cancelled and use the same services! Qobuz is pretty good, it has a lot of room to improve but it’s keeping me more up to date with music than Apple was.

      I got Sync.com (Canadian) instead of iCloud (though iCloud is not fully replaceable). My backup server is in the EU because I use custom borg scripts, but there’s also eazyBackup in Canada.

      I own my own domain for email, and I bought my wife one too so she can get off of Gmail.

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      Legend. I had cancelled all that but then Telus came in and offered it for free. So technically I have it, but I’m not really paying for it.

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    2 months ago

    👏 Turn 👏 off 👏 the 👏 power.

    Even just for an hour. Until all levels of US government understands that Canada is able to disrupt their country in a massive way they will keep playing these stupid games.

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        They are already doing just that to their own people AND we are in their sights. How much to Canadians have to suffer before it’s “ok” to push back.

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    “You will never be disappointed with the United States of America.”

    We’re fucking disappointed. Every fucking year of this relationshit. You are an utter disappointment in nearly every way.

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      Cool, calm reciprocity. They Tarrif us, we Tarrif them where it hurts in equal measure.

      For everything else, there are better trade partners.