Hopefully this doesn’t backfire af on American civilians…
it will. get ready
Sorry, but I hope it does. Aggression must have consequences, or there is no justice.
Because civilians are always the most worthy and deserving target of state-sanctioned violence.
The US are a democracy, which means the people is responsible for the acts of their country. Sorry guys, you need to take responsibility.
To be fair, the US isn’t a democracy at all, and even among USians this war is extremely unpopular.
Then, you’re expected to topple your government, as much as you expect Iranians to bring down theirs. You’re no better, expect you are on the dropping side of the bombs (and, sorry for the image, on the receiving side of Israel’s dick).
Once you’ve done that and stop killing abroad, then you’ll have some respect from the rest of the world. For the time being, no wonder airplanes inbound the US will stay half empty.
I think you’re confused, I’m a communist, I despise the US Empirevand condemn the war. Further, Israel doesn’t control the US, the US supports Israel because Israel is like a giant millitary base for the US to terrorize its geopolitical adversaries.
It’ll be burger brained riots when gas prices skyrocket, that will probably be enough of a shock to break the regime and start a crisis. I joke, mostly.
Yeah, kill the leaders, they deserve it.
His voters and liberal voters definitely are
At least 1/3rd of the US population fully deserves it, and another 1/3rd is in the gray area
JFC. Pretty sure that Iranian civilians are the ones who need to worry… Not to mention Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, Yemenis, etc.
Thank you for your attention this matter
There’s always a tweet:
Getting these vibes
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Wanna take a trip to the George W. Bush Presidential Library and Museum and liberate this banner for the memes?
This should never have happened. Fucking psychopathic orange lunatic.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR PEACE!
Irony truly is dead.
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He’s read a few work-emails recently (by accident, naturally) and some of their jargon seems to have stuck with him.
He ends a bunch of his tweets that way, he’s very strange.
And then he eats his hamberder too.
Thank you for attention to hamberder
Many such cases.
It wasn’t before already?
This statement from Trump is unsurprisingly disinformation. Most people interpret “nuclear sites” as nuclear bombs instead of completely legal power stations for civilian infrastructure.
Please don’t recite this disinformation uncritically. That’s just recycling propaganda.
Instead it’s worth emphasizing that the zio regime actually has rogue nukes and is using them to threaten the planet with a nuclear holocaust. That’s the actual problem.
Love this part of the timeline yet? Welcome to your 1984
sigh, that settles that then. More blood will be spilt before any of this comes to an end. Shame, shame on all of us for allowing this to pass. May God have mercy on us all.
This isn’t on the majority of US citizens.
Its obvious our entire socio/political system is corrupted by money. The idea that a group of sociopaths who behave as if their socio economic status grants them impunity to act as though they have divine provenance to manipulate whatever they please for some reason view the us democratic system as too sacred for them to touch is foolishly naive.
There is the election fraud case in rockwell county new york that is moving forward. And besides that i like to call attention to Germany the supreme court of which decided that electronic voting is unconstitutional as it is impossible to determine the difference between fraudulent results and legitimate ones for lay people or anyone who is not a cybersecurity/ IT expert.
This coupled with the corporate media’s narrative manipulation and successful attempts to shift the Overton window as far right as possible in the last 5 decades as well as such insidious techno fascist tactics such as Israel’s consortium of tech contractors called Team Jorge in operation since st least 2015 which engage in hacking, and social media narrative manipulation through sophisticated bot farming it paints a picture that the American electorate is ultimately powerless and being insidiously controlled by a group of disgusting power hungry fascists that are engaged in a class war with us.
Anyone directly responsible for the current state of the USA and gloval affairs involving Israel deserve no mercy whatsoever. Including the overly audible minority of conservatives who have been lead to believe they are the majority and the world is their oyster to shit on and step on freely with complete impunity.
But the majority of us are good people who dont want this. Especially the millennials and gen z. The Democratic party has shifted so far right to appease it’s corporatist(fascist) masters and education standards have been gutted so most people dont even understand how we are being victimized. Maybe my faith in humanity is misplaced considering how igly things are but leftism has always been popular especially among educated people and this is why the right has destroyed education standards. As nixon and reagan advisor roger freeman said “we are on the verge of having a highly educated proletariat, this is dynamite! We have to be more selective of who we allow through higher education. At the time he said this before the Reagan administration some public universities especially federal Land grant universities has free tuition and many others that were not free were $50 per semester. Even yale was $700 per semester for tuition before the 1970’s now you need yo go into massive debt to get a degree that might gaurantee you a wage of $25-30 after you graduate with a debt of 50-100K at least if not 4-10 times that.
They want dumb complacent obedient workers who will not object to being looted so they can live in opulence at our expense while simultaneously funding their forever wars to further their imperialist agenda and profit motives.
You honestly believe that there is a peacefull path left at this point? The system is rigged by design, and you are not going to restore democracy in the courtroom.
Quit playing Martin and start playing Malcolm. Pick up a gun and kill your fascist leaders before they kill all of us.
Goodbye Hormuz, I mean, why wouldn’t they?
It’s not a meme, it’s real
Please tell me none of these bombs were nukes…
Trump II has felt like W Bush III this problem is bigger than him.
Trump is not single handedly responsible for jack shit. Get the fick outta here with this great man theory nonsense. Almost every single democrat has been in lock step supporting this shit.
Hear hear. Great man theory is absurd. If Kamala was at the helm I guarantee it wouldn’t be any different, only libs wouldn’t protest because slay kween we came we saw he died
It is the superstructure, it is the machine of capitalism that needs to feed. Watch oil futures on Monday and remind me who is the greatest producer of crude and LNG today?
There’s a reason I said almost singlehandedly.
Would you prefer ‘played a pivotal role’?
Yes, a lot of Democrats went along with the revocation of the agreement, and then failed to get a new agreement in place during the Biden admin, after Trump and the Reps also failed to get a new deal in Trump’s first term, despite that being one of Trump’s campaign promises.
But Trump, as the head of state, signed an executive memorandum that cancelled it.
Which is a thing that a US President can actually do unilaterally, whereas drafting or accepting a new deal, an international treaty, has to go through Congress.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
https://www.yalelawjournal.org/forum/presidential-power-to-terminate-international-agreements
Could/Should the Dems have reformed this, threw a massive shit fit about this?
Absolutely yes.
But in this particular instance… the whole scenario really actually does hinge on the President being singly able to do something extreme, with no real, effective, balanced check on that power.
I do not need to invoke or subscribe to Great Man Theory to point all this out.
Trump is a symptom of many greater, unchecked sicknesses and decay and corruption in American politics and society… he is simply the fraudulent idiot man-child r*pist that the masses of frustrated, hateful, intolerant, anti-intellectual bigots projected their yearning for spite and revenge onto, and empowered.
Its… kind of a massive flaw in the US Consitutional framework, that a President effectively has an incredible veto power when it comes to international agreements.
not a flaw, this is a feature of US power
While the masses that supported the regime change in Libya that Obama and Hillary were pushing with straight up KKK level propaganda (“Gaddafi handing out viagra for mass rapes” + “Gaddafi recruiting mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa” = real migrant workers from Chad were getting hanged from bridges by the “rebels for democracy”) and is currently a slave market are what? Unfrustrated, tolerant, intellectual, classy liberals?
The entire US middle class on both sides turns to a cheerleader for the military industrial complex with only slightly different narratives to support it each time. The presidents are puppets of economic forces, snap out of it.
We need to figure out mathematically the human Swarm size needed (5million?) to converge at the White House and Congress and literally tear these monsters apart limb from limb. Enough of a crashing wave of pure manswarm to overwhelm these traitorous pieces of Nazi fucking trash! This needs to happen in every state. Burn this shit down, fuck society if it’s going to be some half-assed stolen AI version of 1984 and dystopian insanity.
I love your solution-oriented mindset, but just feel the need to clarify one point. This is what the US has always stood for, it’s always been a wretched hell-empire run by rich ghouls willing to drown the world in blood. Those of us who want to get along and not kill everybody, we’re the traitors, just factually speaking. And that’s a good thing
They were not.
Well, at least for once, something could actually be worse.
But of course tomorrow will happen so then that metric gets reset.
The worst war crime of your life so far
Hitting nuclear facilities with conventional weapons is just dirty bombs with extra steps. These attacks are a number of international high crimes, including the nonproliferation treaty.
It’s the perfect crime. They bombed nuclear sites, which means there are going to be radiation spikes regardless of what kind of bombs they dropped, which means they could drop small nukes and probably get away with it.
That’s not how it works. You can tell the difference between radiation from a nuclear weapon and a conventional bomb used on radioactive materials. If they used nukes they won’t be able to cover it up for very long.
There’s different isotopes in the fallout, different radio spectrometry or whatever, but I think they could lie and say that the reason it looks like a conventional nuclear weapon is because Iran was hiding a nuke and they blew it up.
Sure, in fantasyland
What’s so fantastical about the US using a tactical nuke and then lying about it?
Looks like that didn’t happen here, but I see no reason that it couldn’t.
Because nuclear detonations are very different to conventional ones, and every major power has satellites monitoring for them. They can’t be hidden. Hell, any university or weather service within 3,000 miles would be able to detect it.
Even conventional detonations on top of nuclear reactors or nuclear stockpiles?
A nuclear detonation is a very delicate and precisely controlled process. It doesn’t just happen because a bomb goes off near the nuke. So sure, they can say anything, but there will be obvious evidence.
Speaking of saying anything, I’m going to look for reliable confirmation that this even happened. I’m not tacking Trump’s fucking tweet for it.
What gives you the idea that Trump gives any fucks about lying?
See this is exactly what I am worried about.
The Fordow site is simply under too big of a fucking mountain for even our largest conventional penetrator bombs to actually significantly fuck up… unless you basically were able to pull off multiples of those bombs hitting the exact same point from nearly the same angle…
GPS guided bombs are accurate, but not that accurate… you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these fuckoff huge conventional penetrator bombs to literally dig a hole through the mountain.
… Or, you drop one tactical nuke.
fucking not good
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like this is what those air radar images were showing from 24/48 hrs ago.
That was probably the US’s entire fucking B2 Bomber Fleet deploying.
JDAM is supposed to have a circular error probable of 5m and it’s an upgrade kit from 25 years ago. I can definitely believe that a much newer purpose-built weapon can do better than that. The idea of hitting the same spot with multiple bombs might not actually be that unlikely
I can totally see Trump just having a bunch of random bombs dropped in the general area, declaring victory and telling everyone to fuck off though.
Iran will not dispute the strike was effective, and neither will Israel.
you’d have to throw like 20% to 40% of the entire US stockpile of these
Anything for a Nobel peace prize.
Yeah but we have bombs that can do about what a small one would do without using radioactive materials. If they want to nuke them with Trump they’d go for something big and spectacular, like when he dropped the massive moab
If you are talking about conventional bombs that are comparable to a small nuke in a ground burst or air burst scenario, yes.
But not for ground penetration, no.
A conventional explosive displaces, creates a pressure wave that fractures and shatters things, but that pressure wave behaves differently when applied to different materials.
A nuke creates a ball of plasma that is so hot that it evaporates everything inside the primary blast radius, and then also a pressure wave when that miniature sun displaces things and wants to expand outward in every direction.
A 20 kt nuke will make an all incinerating fireball approximately 200m in diameter… so that means everything in a 100m radius from the point of impact, is now plasma… and then on top of that you get the massive pressure wave extending damage further beyond that.
Nukes are considerably more effective as deep pemetrator weapons than conventional explosives are.
The GBU 57 MOP, going off publically available info, can destroy earth (meaning soil) 60m under its point of impact… but only about 18m under reinforced concrete.
A mountain, with a reinforced bunker complex under it, is going to be a lot closer to reinforced concrete than it is to soil in some dry lakebed testing range.
And Fordow is roughly 80m, possibly more, underground.
So… the tactical nuke can basically guaranteed do that mission in one accurate hit, whereas with GBU 57s, you’d need a number of them, and you would have to basically drill a bore hole by dropping successive bombs into the same hole.
And uh, last note, the MOAB is just shy of 22,000 lbs, has a blast rating of about 11 tons of TNT. Its not a ground penetrator though, it is thermobaric, a fuel air bomb.
The GBU 57 MOP is a 30,000 lb bomb, and… rough math works out to about… maybe 1 kiloton, max, probably less?
I guess we’ll have to wait for Warthunder to add the B2 and GBU 57 and then eventually someone will leak the real specs.
Iran claim no radiation leak or contamination because they moved the uranium before the strikes and nothing was stored there
*immense relief*
They knew this was happening, we all knew. I hope this is not just a claim. It’s not like you can just take nuclear material home in a jiffy.
There is aerial photo on the AlJazeera website right now from a day or two before the strike with like 8 trucks moving it
I’d rather not be in the world of ruin timeline.
We killed a bunch of people but now I want peace…
I punched you but please don’t hit me back or I’ll cry.
Soy Right, at it again
What it costed Israel to make you do it and also announce it? A promised land of gazan golf courses or another Trump Tower there? I can’t get how he is still breathing with everything that he did in his life.
Henry Kissinger lived to 100.
Henry was clever and sneaky in his malice, like today’s Thiel. The cheeto guy though pulls all the levers but dodges shit like he had 10 LUCK or something.
I mean, atleast we’re safe from nuclear bombs, am i right?
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