Nah, it checks out. I ran the numbers myself and I got 15.33, which is roughly 15. This, of course, assumes the age of adulthood is 21 for humans and 100 for elves, and we don’t really have a reason to doubt those numbers.
Others have doubted the 21 year figure being appropriate for humans but I think the 100 year figure is ridiculous for elves. It’s based on the assumption that age of maturity and total lifespan are always preserved in an exact ratio across different species, when this is demonstrably not the case.
Who is “they” in this situation? Because in PF2E, nothing is really stopping you from playing a 16 year old Seer Elf apart from the rest of the table possibly looking at you funny
Why would we assume that you have to be 21 years old or the equivalent to drink alcohol in a medieval fantasy world?
There are still many parts of the modern world that allow 16 year olds to drink.
And even in the medieval time period of Europe, pretty much everyone would drink alcohol because it was cleaner than water, although younger people would tend to drink “small beers” that had very light alcohol.
My assumption would be that in this time frame, if the bartender judged you competent and capable of drinking, they would sell you alcohol.
If they didn’t, they wouldn’t, and the only consequence would be that you’re on your own in dealing with the effects of alcohol on you.
Don’t need to go in medieval time. By my parents time, adults gave “colored water” to help keep children calm at school. And the “colored” part is wine.
Also, 21 for adulthood is very american, it’s lower in most part of the world. And idk for the rest of the world, but it was also even younger in medieval europe than in modern europe as there was no concept of “teenager” for common folks.
Those helmets were never worn outside of ceremonies, and those clothes are more victorian than medieval. And while the background does look olden style, there’s no reason a place can’t still look like that in the modern day.
There’s more to say this isn’t medieval than to say that it is.
only if you assume the drinking age is 21 or the equivalent. An assumption that is true for a small percentage of population of the world for a small fraction of human history
No the character just confirms that an equivalent age of 15 is too young. 21 is just the baseline age they use to do the calculation, because it lines up with 100 years in elf years. But the bartender wouldnt have to do the second part of the calculation at all if the drinking age is 21. It could easily be 16 or 17 and the elf would still be too young.
before the Internet killed my attention span, I used to read a lot of science fiction and fantasy novels by a variety of authors. Since then, I’ve watched a lot of anime and read a lot of amateur writing. I don’t have specific sources to cite, but the trope is common enough and recurring enough that I stand by my claim of “generally accepted”.
Where does this math come from?
Solving percents. I use this to predict gross and net of my paychecks when I do my budget.
Net X ------ = ------ Gross 100 (GrossX) = (Net × 100) GrossX ÷ (Net × 100) = X Example; 200 X ------ = ------- 250 100 Step A 200 × 100 = 20000 Now 250X = 20000 Step B 20000÷250=80 Therefore X=80 Also expressed as 80% of 250 = 200.It’s also kinda handy when figuring out sales and stuff at the store, sometimes.
Nah, it checks out. I ran the numbers myself and I got 15.33, which is roughly 15. This, of course, assumes the age of adulthood is 21 for humans and 100 for elves, and we don’t really have a reason to doubt those numbers.
Others have doubted the 21 year figure being appropriate for humans but I think the 100 year figure is ridiculous for elves. It’s based on the assumption that age of maturity and total lifespan are always preserved in an exact ratio across different species, when this is demonstrably not the case.
Whats’s even funnier is that Pathfinder 2e has an “Ancient Elf” heritage, and the guidelines state that it’s at least 100 years old
I think it’s one of those things where they don’t want you playing a 16 year old elf because reasons.
Just like how you need to use fantasy names rather than normal names like Steve or Tiffany.
Who is “they” in this situation? Because in PF2E, nothing is really stopping you from playing a 16 year old Seer Elf apart from the rest of the table possibly looking at you funny
Does it matter? If we used maturity as a measure, I would still be unable to drink.
I’m talking about physical maturity, not emotional maturity (which is greatly influenced by environment).
Im that case, should have been drinking at 14, because I’m as hairy as a chimp.
Why would we assume that you have to be 21 years old or the equivalent to drink alcohol in a medieval fantasy world?
There are still many parts of the modern world that allow 16 year olds to drink.
And even in the medieval time period of Europe, pretty much everyone would drink alcohol because it was cleaner than water, although younger people would tend to drink “small beers” that had very light alcohol.
My assumption would be that in this time frame, if the bartender judged you competent and capable of drinking, they would sell you alcohol.
If they didn’t, they wouldn’t, and the only consequence would be that you’re on your own in dealing with the effects of alcohol on you.
Don’t need to go in medieval time. By my parents time, adults gave “colored water” to help keep children calm at school. And the “colored” part is wine.
Also, 21 for adulthood is very american, it’s lower in most part of the world. And idk for the rest of the world, but it was also even younger in medieval europe than in modern europe as there was no concept of “teenager” for common folks.
The dwarf is in a hoodie and holding a phone. Why do you think this is medieval fantasy?
because of the background and helmet, and the elfs clothing.
I own that top in black.
You are such a medieval wench though.
My entire apartment looks like the later episodes of serial experiment lain.
Those helmets were never worn outside of ceremonies, and those clothes are more victorian than medieval. And while the background does look olden style, there’s no reason a place can’t still look like that in the modern day.
There’s more to say this isn’t medieval than to say that it is.
I guess the 21 being equivalent to 100 years is just an assumption
Which kinda makes the math meaningless cause 73 < 100 requires no calculation.
only if you assume the drinking age is 21 or the equivalent. An assumption that is true for a small percentage of population of the world for a small fraction of human history
Which is exactly what the character is doing
No the character just confirms that an equivalent age of 15 is too young. 21 is just the baseline age they use to do the calculation, because it lines up with 100 years in elf years. But the bartender wouldnt have to do the second part of the calculation at all if the drinking age is 21. It could easily be 16 or 17 and the elf would still be too young.
it’s a generally accepted assumption in many post-Tolkien fantasy works.
if 100 is the age of adulthood then it is equivalent to 18 in human years
Gennerelly accepted where ?
In the USA probably because it’s their drinking age
I get the 21 , but I’m not clear about the 100.
before the Internet killed my attention span, I used to read a lot of science fiction and fantasy novels by a variety of authors. Since then, I’ve watched a lot of anime and read a lot of amateur writing. I don’t have specific sources to cite, but the trope is common enough and recurring enough that I stand by my claim of “generally accepted”.