ITT: a lot of non blahaj zone users hating blahaj zone
What if the causation is the other way around from how you think it is?
I don’t follow the controversy over lemmy.ml but it seems to me that federation isn’t about pushing one POV or suppressing another, it’s about not using corporate media, right?
Federation is about what content you want to host on your server.
If you made a Lemmy server, say sidekick.lemmy, you’d have to make decisions about which sources of content to federate with. For example, if the Lemmy instance I just made up for this hypothetical called loli.network were posting child porn, then you’d have to make a decision whether to have child porn on your instance, manually remove all of it, or just defederate loli.network. Now imagine there’s an instance called aryan.nation. Do you want swastikas and heil hitlers to be visible on your frontpage?
Ada promised her users that transphobia wouldn’t be visible from lemmy.blahaj.zone. That’s the issue.
No, federation is about content sharing. Choosing which content you want to share is a feature of lemmy software specifically.
Apparently saying the west is coopting LGBT issues for racist / imperialist purpose is now transphobic. Yet “Arabs deserved it because they kill gays” is a perfectly valid opinion to have apparently.
Next stop: the word “pink washing” is now misogyny, and talking about neoliberalism is a bannable offense.
The admin of .ml and developer of Lemmy said that trans people were tricked into being trans so they could be used as a wedge issue.
If you have to keep supporting .ml and their shit beleifs at least have the balls to not lie about what you support.
What is this word salad?
Do you even understand your own gibberish?
Yes. Supporting genocidal regimes and fascists that have been plaguing society for the better part of the century are ok UNTIL they become transphobic.
Pathetic self interested selfish instance. Now I don’t think we should be defederating for any reason other than illegal content, so I agree with this move, however I disagree with the reasoning.
Blahaj.zone and its mods have been the king of bad ideas and accelerating echo chambers, so I’m not surprised. In fact this is probably one good thing they’ve done until they say doors are transphobic or something and ban people who don’t remove doors off their houses.
I’m surprised to see this many people think the same as me. They are way too strict and full of censorship. Saying anything will get you flagged as transphobic, even if you’re just politely debating about a subject you want to get informed about.
“You should have known” - “you’re just transphobic”
blahaj.zone is an insult to the LGBT
Not Ada making another move that definitely doesn’t support transphobes.
Agree, and I think the answer is less defederation not more.
For real
Blahaj making a decision that likely ends up harming trans people? Wow, how unlike them, that’s so surprising 😮
Blahaj not opting for censorship is really rare
Fuck Ada, she can go suck a dick.
Let’s try having this thread without sexual harassment, please.
That wasn’t sexual harassment. You’re a liar.
Reported for false accusation.
Deleted comments are unfun. Can’t easily check what was written
Moderation is boring
Ada makes the wrong decisions literally every time she has a moderation choice.
A coin would have a better track record.
She frequently gives in to trolls over users and bans anyone who dares criticize her
I can’t beleive I used to want to participate in that space.
I was banned for questioning Ada if defederating from an instance because she does not like a mod from there is a wise choice (I think not, because isolationism never ends well for isolating community).
Then I got banned from the other blahaj for being banned by Ada (“transphobic”).
Oh well.
I was banned from all of Bahaj for using “dude” then questioning if dude was the word someone was taking offense of and as the word I misgendered them with.
Meta-pronouns was already a bridge too far.
They’re incredibly sensitive people.
I have a trans kid that is a teenager their best friend is trans, I am aware lmao
it’s just a kid thing, kids be sensitive about their identity more so than adults as the formation of their identity is core to being a kid
I had the opposite experience. When I was a teenager, I tolerated being gendered by society. After I grew up, I started learning about trans issues, and asserted my own identity. I put up with other people’s gendered bullshit for 18 years, I don’t have to tolerate it anymore.
Yeah, one time she banned drag for pointing out she broke a promise, and drag didn’t even mean to! Drag thought she kept the promise and was telling a harasser they’d been told to cut it out. Turns out she didn’t, and banned drag for making her look bad. You’re right, wrong decision every time.
This website is a clownshow, “Dragonfucker”.
You, Smorty, Ada, Dessalines
So many insane prominent users.
If being sane means being boring, then drag doesn’t want to be sane
Being into fantasy fiction and dudes I’d get, but calling yourself a dragon fucker (you used to be way more explicit) because you and the dude you like pretend he’s a dragon, that’s just wild.
A real non-euphemistic dragon rider wouldn’t be on a lemmy forum either, so I don’t get how that isn’t immersion breaking.
Please don’t misgender drag’s partner.
Good to see you’re still around, Drag. Hope you’re doing well!
You joke and stuff, but the fact remains that Ada is ok with the support for russian genocidal imperialism among tankie instances (Grad, ML, hexbear) and even has no issues with the Russia’s brutality against their LGBT community.
Theatrics about “TERF island” are clearly a much bigger priority than actual abuse of LGBT folks (and cus folks for that matter) at the hands of the russians.
For real if they support the russians they belong in camps. The russians are the most wrong thing in the world.
reddit ass comment
We found a connoisseur of russian culture. Well let’s hope the russians introduce such a connoisseur as yourself to their fascinating use of champagne bottles.
Drag isn’t joking. Drag’s ban was the result of a very serious debate about best practice for talking people down from suicide. Drag did so in a way some users disagreed with, and there was a very clear harassment campaign from one user. Ada didn’t shut it down because she agreed with that user’s take. Blahaj isn’t a safe place even for trans people within the community if the admin decides they’re not worth protecting. Drag believed Blahaj’s messages of being a safe space, and got banned very specifically for believing in Ada. Blahaj fails members of its own community, and punishes them for expecting better.
I love drag <3 Drag is great
Blahaj is a shit place, so no surprise. You can support the biggest warmongers and dictators on planet earth, but as long as you dont’t have some mild criticism of the lgbtq community, you’re good to go.
Pathetic instance with a really fucked up moral compass.
You either talk as blaha told you you or you are transphob.
Ada is doing the community a disservice since Fedi does not have transphibia, so her fighting these windmills only making residents more hostile to her server lol
Idiotic public relations tactics.
mild criticism
You misspelled “totally innocent unrelated comment which stepped on some kind of weird and arbitrary rule which they will swear is hateful and proof you are a bad person on purpose, BAN!”
Drag got banned for sharing a message in which the admin promised to stop harassment. Drag thought the admin had kept the promise and was showing proof of it. But in fact, the admin had broken the promise, and banned drag, because she thought drag was trying to call her a liar.
Wouldn’t have happened if the admin had just stopped the harassment.
Perfect username x)
Seems like you’re infamous for some reason
Yeah, it’s for using person independent pronouns. The term “grammar Nazi” gets a little bit more literal with some of these transphobes. They think their misunderstandings of the rules of grammar are more important than drag’s gender.
what
Way to go drag you ruined it for everyone.
God tier troll shit tbh.
Me thinking it was someone else describing the situation until i look at the username: 😐
out of the loop – what did we do wrong?
One of the main admins / devs basically said that the whole “transgender thing” was just a smoke screen and another part of the culture wars the bourgeoisie is using to divide us.
It was very dismissive and minimizing and … honestly gross.
It is indicative of their mindset overall and how myopic and “in their rigid lane” they are. Also just a wildly gross shit take.
One of the head honchos on ml had some rant about trans people being part of the bourgeoisie agenda or some shit. Which of course, raises eyebrows about how this crowd in general was so against voting and standing up to the guy who is currently actively stripping transgender rights. I’m sure you’re not all transphobes but the fact that this comes from someone at the head of a community, does make one look at the big push to not vote a little differently and makes it look like there’s more reasons for it than just being too cool for school.
I’m not sure if an admin of an instance is in any way shape or form a head of a community.
They are not voted in.
Most people join lemmy instances at random or by sorting them by userbase size.
I’m too lazy to shop around for a different admin/instance. Why would I? I don’t care about the guy.
allpoetry.com/First-They-Came-For-The-Communists
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
Nice and all, but how is this relevant?
Irony is dead.
tbh I don’t know how I was supposed to know this was a joke.
K. This isn’t your fault. It’s the fault of politicians getting rid of classical (liberal arts) education. STEM is important, so are philosophy, logic, etc.
https://literarydevices.net/irony/
Itt, situational irony. So my statement was irony, expressing the situational irony on display.
What does the poem have to do with the “scratch a liberal” idiom.
This seems like a non sequitur.
It means I argued that your life was worth saving. I wonder how many in these threads would pull the trigger on Chairman Fred?
Can that hypocrite leave already?
Seems like Blahaj has no issue with ML supporting russian genocidal imperialism and the way russia treats LGBT folks. It seems their concern about trans folks rights doesn’t include Ukrainian trans folks (and Ukrainian LGBT folks more broadly) who were forced to leave the territories occupied by russia.
Compare that to the decision to defederate over a single post (that explicitly stated that everyone should be treated equally and not discriminated against) on feddit.uk.
For some reason the term orientalism comes to mind.
For some reason I’ve always gotten a very white vibe from blahaj.zone. I can’t explain it, but I just don’t feel that nonwhite people are exactly as welcome there. I’ve felt that way in a lot of trans spaces in the past that were very centered on a white view of transness. The racism is never overt, there’s just a vibe hanging over those kinds of spaces. I don’t have the language to say how I feel that vibe is there, but a lot of people have written about it
I’ve gotten a “youth” vibe from there.
That sort of militant mindset kids tend to have about the thing they’re passionate about.
There is no room for discussion OR nuance and any perceived slight is not allowed to be corrected.
Just militant follow my rules and my view or gtfo, similar to the tanker triad in that regard tbh.
Yeah, I feel the same way. Blahaj is usually pretty good on trans issues within the community. I’d probably have made my account there on that basis alone if it wasn’t for… Well, I wouldn’t feel safe expressing opinions like those in this post on there. I like to be political, and Blahaj isn’t the space for that unless you fall into a very narrow range of views. I don’t see any regular users who overtly disagree with Ada on moderation issues. I like a space where I can disagree with the admins, because nobody’s a perfect representative. On Blahaj there’s a kind of worship that I’m uncomfortable with. I wouldn’t feel safe getting into friction there. It seems like there aren’t any little disagreements that people move past. Everything’s a world shattering issue.
I feel it’s more of an American thing than a white thing. They seem to view lgbt-phobia as an America-centric issue
The admin is Australian…
😐
so it is a anglo/white thing haha
Probably…
In this case, it’s not even a white thing. Purely a cultural thing, a lack concern about LGBT communities that don’t speak English.
Btw, this is not mere observation from the sidelines. I live in Ukraine and have a modicum of exposure to the local LGBT community.
I think I can remember Ada saying in the past that her intention with blahaj.zone is to create a safe space for trans people. Not to support trans people outside that space. And I think that’s wrong. Trans inclusivity needs to be explicitly political. There is no safety for trans people in a community disconnected from the global trans struggle.
The liberals have really begun to stink the place up ever since they jumped ship en masse from Reddit. They joined a platform created & maintained by communists and constantly shit stir with the “look at what Lemmy.ml is doing”. Lemmy.ml is one of the biggest and original instances and it’s plainly obvious that transphobia isn’t tolerated there. That’s what the community demands, regardless of nutomic. Likely it has more trans users than most instances that people are using to complain about nutomic.
The same people simply have it in for Lemmy.ml and won’t stop until every instance defederates from it. Nutomic’s views are just another means for them to achieve that goal.
Maybe one of them will step up and create their own alternative platform and they can all clear off to that one for good.
This is a fediverse and i use mbin… commies don’t own it. try again clown
People at home will moan about fascists and loss of their illusory freedoms at home, cheering when communists gain traction in other states, talking big about revo while the wolf is at their door, and 100% fling open the windows and invite in the fascist fox for cuddles and Netflix.
The liberals
People who use the word “liberal” as a slur like this are some of the worst people on this planet.
Do you have a better name for people with middle ground political views?
Yeah, Marxist-Leninists. You’re in between anarchists and capitalists.
That would be moderate or centrist, but I’m not sure why you’re asking. Liberalism is the opposite of authoritarianism and fascism, not the synonym of centrism.
Libertarianism, not liberalism, is the opposite of authoritarianism. I’m not referring to the right-wing, capitalist ideology.
See the political compass for a way to visualize political ideologies. Liberals rest in between libertarianism and authoritarianism, usually in the center, but I’d say they generally lean towards authoritarianism more than you would think.
Socially left and economically right isn’t left.
Who are you to define what’s left and right 👀
Those terms are really subjective
Those terms are already defined. What are they teaching in secondary and post-secondary schools?! For the love of everything decent, we definitely need to bring back and implement classical liberal arts education alongside STEM, beginning in primary school.
Replace “liberal” with whichever word you prefer, the point remains
I’ve only ever seen one comment from nutomic cited as evidence of transphobia. And its a DM responding to some mystery comment that is never posted alongside it. A bit suspicious when the only evidence is presented without context.
Though it does contain the transphobic dogwhistle, “biological woman,” but that term is also one a reasonable person could reasonably reach from a place of ignorance. He also admitted to knowing very little about trans issues.
Also the trans comments are just one in a list of things. Without context there’s no way to know if those even are his own ideas, or a summery of the mystery comment he’s responding to, but also clearly disagrees with.
The opposition to nutomic on the basis of transphobia feels very much like a witch hunt. This doesn’t seem like strongly held anti-trans beliefs. People are occasionally wrong or misinformed about things. And that’s okay!
some context
Thanks so much for posting this. Since you’re clearly more familiar with nutomic, and this conversation do you think my assessment is off base?
This context doesn’t change my conclusion, but I’m clearly a prime target for confirmation bias as I made up my mind before seeing it.
nutomic is clearly not transphobic
I’m not either, and got censored big time
People act like “snowflakes” when it comes to certain subjects and jump to conclusions full of wrong assumptions. Even though I hate this term, I feel like it’s the accurate one.
Remember: if you don’t know, you’re a transphobe. If you don’t act, you’re a transphobe. If you’re wrong and are willing to learn, you’re still a transphobe and you’ll always be. at some point if you exist, you’re transphobic. - same issue applies for many other things. People love talking shit and their words often have no real meaning or base
Who are you?
@[email protected] I guess
I was pretty clearly asking the person who posted the screenshots.
You’re doing that annoying thing that redditors started doing where you barge into a conversation several replies deep answering a question by pretending to be the person who was asked.
There are plenty of messages in this thread that are not asking a specific user for their thoughts, you could reply to instead. Read the room.
Nutomic is banned from blahaj anyway.
He hasn’t apologised. If he knew very little about trans people back then, that’s bad, because he’s a socialist and should be educating himself on the whole sphere of leftism. But refusing to apologise after all this criticism, all the dozens of people who’ve asked him to apologise to his face? That means he’s really truly thought about the issue, and he isn’t ashamed of his comment.
He has, on the lemmy.ml post
Apologizing to blahaj is something I don’t wish to my worse enemy. Blahaj is joining the lemmygrad and hexbear category for me
Link?
Entering it here as well if hyperlinks don’t work: https://lemmy.ml/comment/18404108
Drag agrees with all the people under that comment who say it’s not good enough. Nutomic was still being transphobic in the thread after the “apology”.
Communists don’t want to go through socialism to get to communism. That’s socialists. Marxist-Leninists are socialists, not communism. You sound like you’re an anarcho-communist. You’re more of a communist than Marxist-Leninists are.
This meme is my views, using Marxist-Leninist definitions. Of course it’s nonsense, ML newspeak is designed to make anarchism incomprehensible.
If you want to control who uses your platform and to police wrongthink, it’s best not release your project as open source with federation features.
This is common sense.
Bit of a dual edged sword.
Personally, I don’t care that they are communists. A lot of it is just that they’re dicks. I would feel almost the exact same way if they were MAGA people, or pro-Nancy Pelosi people, or for that matter Bernie Sanders people or just non-political people, that harassed and banned and mocked anyone who disagreed with them in the same way that .ml does.
