Hello folks. I use many distro from Debian to Fedora to OpenSuse and Arch. I also use many window managers like i3, dwm and qtile. On desktop environment, I use XFCE the most. Currently, I am looking to try something new, hence KDE.
I am looking for something with a beautiful UI and works out of the box. So, something on the same spectrum as XFCE but more pretty.
I tried out the distros with preinstalled KDE: Fedora KDE, Manjaro KDE, Kubuntu.
The good: KDE is beautiful and very easy to use. I actually enjoy using my computer more.
The bad: it crashes… a lot even when I turn off all the animations. My system is not that slow: AMD 7 Pro with 64 GB of RAM. Some examples:
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Logging in, KDE hangs for 30 seconds. Even when I finally see the desktop, I would need to wait a further 10 seconds to finally able to interact, i.e. click and open stuff.
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After resume suspend, system would hang and there is nothing I can do except for a forced reboot.
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Browsing the web with only 3 tabs opened, KDE also hang.
As much as I hate GNOME, everything just works. I installed the GNOME flavors of above distros and never experience any hiccups.
If KDE works for you, do you use a preinstalled distro and which one? How about if you install KDE from scratch, like Arch?
Sounds familiar. I have tried it with many distros and it just isn’t usable. Gave up and ended up liking cinnamon more anyway.
If KDE works for you, do you use a preinstalled distro and which one?
Has largely worked fine for me on Tumbleweed.
There is/was an issue with launching some of the ‘K’ programs causing the whole desktop to die. But this happens very rarely. Logs seem to point towards this being driver-related (on nVidia), and updating the driver fixes it. Certainly no problems like what you’re describing though.
Been using Tumbleweed as well. May I ask if you encountered these 2 issues:
- Copy 1Gb movie to flash drive, says it’s done in 10 seconds. Try to remove the flash drive, still in use. Turns out it’s actually still copying.
- Send some files, whatever the size, even 10Mb, to the trash and it takes a minute per file.
Stumbled upon some github issues saying that it’s a longstanding problem (since 2009 even), but I can’t believe that people put up with it for so long without fixing it.
I’m not even thinking of changing DE but this is annoying to say the least.
Been using Tumbleweed as well. May I ask if you encountered these 2 issues:
Haven’t experienced either of those issues. Have you tried to isolate KDE in those cases? Not sure how you’d do it with the deletion because there’s no Trash for the terminal, but you could try the copy operation and see if your device is still blocked when it’s finished in the terminal?
Those are both file operations so they don’t strike me as strictly DE-related.
Thanks for the info.
I tried installing PCManFM-Qt and deleting from there. Works as you’d expect, deletes instantly.
Having [email protected] insight in mind that it’s a decades long issue, I don’t get how come that some of us are affected by it and some aren’t. 😅
- Copy 1Gb movie to flash drive, says it’s done in 10 seconds. Try to remove the flash drive, still in use. Turns out it’s actually still copying.
This is not distro related but GNU/Linux and a known “issue” for over decades ! Everything gets into you ram memory and gets dumped from there into your USB storage device.
watch grep -e Dirty: -e Writeback: /proc/meminfoA long term solution would like to write a udev rule something like here:
https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/771398/solving-the-usb-drive-mass-storage-stall-issue
Thanks! I’ll try that out today!
Why quotation marks? Issue is an issue, decades or days old. 😄
Copying mechanism itself isn’t an issue here; false reporting that something is done when it’s not is.
The question marks are because I read somethere that Linus himself doesn’t see it like an issue by itself but more like a feature? And that’s why it hasn’t been resolved for soo long ! I can’t exactly remember what he said but that’s the gist !
But I do agree, I also see it as an issue :/ and most people who aren’t aware probably fucked up some USB sticks that way…
Because it’s not an issue. This is the system functioning as intended. Changing this behaviour would cause dramatic performance degradation for the 99.999% of the time when the device you are writing to isn’t removable media that you want to eject right away.
It’s an issue according to any UX pattern. If something says that it’s done when it’s not, it’s misrepresentating the state of the action.
Hard to believe that modifying the counter to include the necessary time for actual writing to the flash drive would break everything. Target flash drives only etc.
System functioning as intended doesn’t mean that it’s a good UX.
Do you have an nvidia GPU? It’s the most important thing to know.
Agreed, have had issues with especially older nvidia cards, 840 and 970. Atleast until I switched to prop. Driver
I use Fedora KDE, and I don’t think ive ever seen crashes that bad on my system (AMD CPU and GPU). I used to have a small problem with RADV crashing during video playback, but that solved itself after a few updates.
It has many preloaded features. You will use only a few of them.
I’ve had no problems with Plasma on Debian. I think the problem is probably the ubuntu, fedora, etc.
Fedora’s KDE is bulletproof on any of my installed systems (8 or 9 of them, completely different hardware including AMD). Now Kubuntu, on the other hand, has always been a shitshow, I’ve never had it work right for more than a couple days at a time.
So far, as a more casual user, using the preconfigured Plasma on MX, I have had only minor grievances that truly effect me and only somehow only broke it maybe 1-2 times.
In my experience, KDE can run just fine, but it is seemingly pickier about drivers and hardware (I’ve had a loose DisplayPort connection crash it several times) than other desktop environments.
openSUSE has the best integration of KDE, but I wouldn’t expect to see issues like yours on any distro, really…
I had issues like that about a week ago, when gaming the system was super sluggish. It turns out that an update put the render under CPU instead of GPU, as in, without hardware acceleration, or software based.
I’ve never had issues like that on Kubuntu, Debian, or EndeavourOS. KDE is great and I love it.
I’ve been using Fedora KDE for…months? Maybe a year now? And I’ve yet to see it hang or crash.
I use KDE with Chimera Linux which is only in beta. Rock solid.
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Vanilla Arch is much easier to install than it used to be. Connect to wifi via terminal commands or connect ethernet, enter
archinstalland go down the list.I’ve only ever had the waking from sleep problem, but it’s consistent in other DE’s for me. I have a desktop so I just turn that and hibernate off.
I had a known problem with krunner not opening after first run unless you killed the process, but I got rofi and customized it to the teeth instead. Found out that I love rofi. I probably won’t go back to krunner even it gets fixed now.
Arch is much more difficult to install now than it used to be as well. I remember when Arch had an installer.
it literally has one fym
Huh? Interesting, guess I’m out of the loop, since the install guide doesn’t mention it I didn’t even realize this got added back to the iso. When was that? I should check this out, I really missed the installer all these years, I understand why they did removed it originally, but if you know what you’re doing it’s just tedious work.
