Hey folks. I’ve had an on-again, off-again relationship with Linux for over 20 years. Usually, my attempts to use it are either thwarted by issues installing, issues booting, or general problems while using it… leading to “catastrophic failure” that I can’t fix without digging into hours of research and terminal commands.

Windows 11 (even 10) are rock solid for me, even as a very heavy multitasker. No crashes. No needing to reboot, unless I’m forced to with an update, and really no issues with any hardware or software I was running.

But with Linux, I just can’t believe how unstable it is, even when I do the absolute basic things.

I’m trying to learn why this is, and how I can prevent these issues from coming up. As I said, I’m committed to using Linux now (I’m done with American software), so I’m open to suggestions.

For context, I’m using a Framework laptop, which is fully (and officially) supports Fedora and Ubuntu. Since Fedora has American ties, I’ve settled with Ubuntu.

All things work as they should: fingerprint scanner, wifi, bluetooth, screen dimming, wake up from suspend, external drives, NAS shared folders, etc. I’ve even got VirtualBox running Windows 11 for the few paid software that I need to load up from time to time.

But I’m noticing issues that seemingly pop out of nowhere on the software/os end of things.

For example, after having no issues updating software, I get this an error: “something went wrong, but we’re not sure what it is.”

Then sometimes I’ll be using Firefox, I’ll open a new tab to type in a search term or URL, and the typing will “lag”, then the address bar will flicker like it’s reloading, and it doesn’t respond well to my mouse clicks. I have to close it out, then start over for it to resolve.

Then I’ll open a different app, sometimes it might open, sometimes it won’t.

Or an app will freeze for no obvious reason, and I’ll get a popup asking to wait or quit.

Another time I left my computer while I went out for a walk, came back, and it was like I just rebooted… all my work was gone, and it was starting fresh from the login screen.

I’m trying not to overload things, and I’m doing maybe 1/5th of what I’d normally be doing when running windows. But I don’t understand why it’s so unstable.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

FWIW, I’m not keen to switch away from Ubuntu, because I do still want official support if there’s ever a problem with getting hardware to work.

UPDATE: Wow, I did not expect to get so many responses! Amazing!

Per suggestions, I ran a memtest86 for over 3 hours and it was clean.

I installed Fedora 41 and am now setting it up. Seems good so far, and elevated permissions can be authorized with biometrics! This was not something I had to. Ubuntu, so awesome there!

Any specific tips for Fedora that I should know? Obviously, no more Snap packages now! 😂

UPDATE 2: Ok, Fedora seems waaaay more stable than Ubuntu (and Mint). No strangeness like before… but not everything works as easily. For example, getting a bridged network adapter to work in virtualbox was one-click easy on Ubuntu… not so much on Fedora (still trying to get it working). And Virtualbox didn’t even run my VM without more terminal hackery.

But the OS seems usable, and I’m still setting things up.

One thing I have noticed, however. When I search for how to fix or do something, nearly all websites and forums reference Debian/Ubuntu commands, so the fragmentation there is a little annoying

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      Can you explain? I mean, anything is better than a Microsoft OS, tbh.

      But I’d rather avoid American-based distros if I can.

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        I’d say Fedora is one of the best distros even the founder of Linux uses it. It’s FOSS like all of Linux, people can see if there’s an issue. Ubuntu has made a lot of decisions recently such as pushing snaps that people dislike. Most big name distros are connected to corporate funding, that’s how they continue to be maintained. Finally, Canonical being British owned certainly doesn’t make it better, possibly worse privacy wise.

        Edit: conflating big American tech firms that steal your data with big America tech firms that make FOSS is just silly.

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          conflating big American tech firms that steal your data with big America tech firms that make FOSS is just silly.

          For sure. But also seeing Americans as friends and allies… and now we (Canada and the rest of the world, but not Russia) are being attacked with threats on our sovereignty, just doesn’t seem normal anymore.

          Nothing that used to be logical can be taken as such now. An American tech that makes FOSS is still an American tech. And I hate even having to say that, because I would have gladly supported American FOSS just a few months ago.

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            Well you’ll hate to hear who contributes most to the linux kernel in that case…

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            we get it - you posture

            there isn’t really any good reason to do what you are doing other than virtue signaling, but go off everyone is going to love you for it

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            I think you’ll find nearly every significant FOSS project will have American contributors software in its development. Typically, anyone who can code and wants to contribute can do so.

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    it sounds like something underlying is wrong, so would test everything that is underlying your system.

    a memtest is the easiest first check. i wouldn’t rely on the one that’s on your system since it could be bad too, but it’s still worth it give it a try since it only takes a few seconds. if it finds anything, then there’s definately something wrong with your hardware.

    instead, i would rely on a usb stick with the ubuntu image you downloaded. first verify that the checksum for the ubuntu image you have on a trusted computer is the same that ubuntu has on its website. then copy it to your usb stick and then use memtest from there. if it comfirms that your ram is okay, use ubuntu’s installation tools to verify that image on the usb stick is good; google or deepseek can show you how with easy to copy/paste commands.

    in your shoes, i would re-install because at his point because then there’s confidence that the base steps are verified and should be working correctly and then you can move onto othere testing strategies if you continue to experience the same behavior.

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      I did a full memtest and chkdsk BEFORE installing Linux (I’m dual booting right now), and things were fine. Again, I only seem to be having issues in Linux, not Windows (native or through virtualbox!).

      Even just now, Digikam is crashing, but it won’t let me force quit (waiting just brings up the window again).

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          It was the Windows Memory Diagnostic Tool. Reboots into the diagnostics utility and tests. Same with the CHKDSK, all from the system recovery boot (no through the Windows GUI).

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              Shit. Well, if I have to, I have to.

              But this doesn’t explain why it would affect only Linux (assuming bad RAM). That’s the sort of thing that would cause Windows to go into a frenzy, and I simply don’t have that experience with BSOD or crashes like that.

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                It does seem like a hardware issue to me too…

                It might be a driver issue… Windows does have the resources to test them more than Linux community, so - kinda hardware related - but Framework should be able to help here.

                And as others have said, try memtest, I did on a laptop with similar issues to yours and found the RAM was the culprit. Personally, I recommend using this version, not the passmark version: https://memtest.org/

                It’ll boot from a USB stick

                It will take hours.

                For Linux use ‘sudo journalctl -xe’ (from memory) - it’ll explain the issues it finds, as best it can. You’ll probably see something in there

                If you’re dual booting with Windows open the event log viewer and check under System (from memory) and see if there’s any red X warning logs… esp. Hardware ones.

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      That’s a good idea also snaps can run like hell in general but more so if memory is out of wack.

      Also if they did pay for support what did canonical have to say?

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        That’s what I was thinking too… If they’re running Ubuntu then they’re probably installing packages through snaps, and that’s always been the worst experience for me. Those apps lag down my whole system, crash or lock up, and generally are unusable. I run Debian but have run into apps that wanted me to use a snap install. One package I managed to find a direct installer that is rock-solid in comparison to the snap version, and the rest of the programs I abandoned.

        Firefox (since it was mentioned) is one of those things I believe Ubuntu installs as a snap, despite there being a perfectly usable .deb package. I applaud the effort behind snap and others to make a universal installation system, but it is so not there yet and shouldn’t be the default of any distro.

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          This in insightful! What are other distros using for their software store? Flatpak or native Debian packages (or both)?

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          Yeah I run debian too and see no issues with Deb packages and flatpak and I run debian unstable on my desktop so i am asking for trouble and don’t see the types of issues OP described. Snaps seem to be the issue. I know they said they wanted Comercial support but unless you are buying a support plan now. Trying debian stable might be worth a shot. Since once it works it works for a good long while.

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            Agreed on Debian stable. Long ago I tried running servers under Ubuntu… that was all fine until the morning I woke up to find all of the servers offline because a security update had destroyed the network card drivers. Debian has been rock-solid for me for years and buying “commercial support” basically means paying someone else to do google searches for you.

            I don’t know if I’ve ever tried flatpaks, I thought they basically had the same problems as snaps?

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              Na flatpaks are lighter and have better access control. But I only use them for basic applications like games or spotify or Obsidian

              They are a little heavy on disk space but nothing too bad. They don’t trash your block device layout with bind mounts

  • Linux has always been the way you’ve described across many different distros for me over the years.

    By far the most stable for me was Fedora. I’ve been running CachyOS over the last year or so and it’s been solid.

    Until today. For some reason KDE takes forever to startup now. A few apps have this problem as well.

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      I’ve used Linux as my main and only workstation for over twenty years, and I’ve never had an experience close to what OP describe, so no, I wouldn’t say it’s always been that way.

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    I’ll likely be downvoted for this, but if you’re committed to Linux, you might want to reconsider using Ubuntu (or Fedora for that matter). Ubuntu has a well-earned reputation for trying to make things “easy” by obfuscating what it’s doing from the user (hence that useless error message). They’re also a corporate distro, so their motivations are for their profit rather than your needs (wait 'til you had about Snap).

    A good starting distro is Debian (known for stable, albeit older) software. They’re a nonprofit org, and champions of Free software. The installed is straightforward and easy too.

    Or if you’re feeling ambitious, I’d recommend Arch or Gentoo. These distros walk you through the install from a very “bare metal” perspective with excellent documentation. Your first install is a slog, but you learn a great deal about the OS in the process, ensuring that you have more intimate knowledge when something goes wrong.

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      FWIW Debian isn’t a non profit. Debian is not a legal entity period. It receives funds via the Software in the Public Interests, which also holds the copyrights, but the project itself just is. It’s probably the world largest, longest running, self organized affiliation group.

      Also debian testing is a fine rolling release. maybe sometimes a bit slow on security updates, but for a workstation that isn’t exposed to the internet, and using flatpaks for browser it’s mostly a non issue. That can also be mitigated by installing security updates from Sid. And secure-testing release take care of the most critical issues as well. If you avoid the couple’s weeks right before and after the freeze, it’s generally stable enough.

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      @danielquinn @Showroom7561 The differences between Ubuntu and Debian is trivial, however, Debian does do some things more securely, in a business environment that might be more of a consideration, things like requiring a signed kernel and modules, require that debian packages be signed, but if you’re learning, going to be compiling your own kernel, packages, Ubuntu is the better choice, as those things won’t get in the way and also the support for PPA’s is useful.

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      The latest arch with archinstaler is actually very straight forward from boot to full desktop install. It just does not have a gui for installation. Very ligh, minimum packages by default but works great.

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      What are you talking about being downvoted for that. Ubuntu is not well-liked and switching it out is a common suggestion.

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        ironically, I think whining about anticipated downvotes for expressing the most mainstream sentiment is worthy of downvotes

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        I don’t know what to tell you. I’ve been shouted down more than a few times for suggesting that Ubuntu is a bad gateway distro.

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      I do appreciate the reply. I’ll check with Framework to see how well Debian is supported. I might just go that route. I don’t need anything fancy or cutting edge, but I do need stability.

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        In case you’re not aware: Back in the day Ubuntu took off because Debian was maybe a bit too strict on their approach on being stable and rock solid for quite a few of different architectures. There was a time when you could just edit few files and migrate a running system from Debian to Ubuntu, just with way more up-to-date software packages and that’s about the time frame I moved from Debian to Ubuntu too. For quite a few years it was pretty smooth, updates just worked, software versions were up to date and the general experience was more polished than what you could get from Debian at the time.

        But that ship has sailed. Ubuntu changes stuff so frequently that the package maintainers can just barely keep up, snapcraft is a steaming pile of shit in my opinion and the stability is faint ghost on what it used to be. Maybe becuse it’s not that compatible with Debian anymore and thus can’t benefit from the original source, maybe for some other reason.

        Whatever the case might be, running ubuntu gives you an ubuntu experience, which is very much not the same than debian experience. If you want more streamlined distribution I’d recommend Mint (Debian edition), if you want the rock solid system but with less refined experience where you might need to tweak thing or two manually then go with Debian.

        And, mostly for the nitpicking commenters, I know, I grossly simplified things around and cut some corners. I know it’s not as black and white comparison. This is just my generic experience over quite a few years with Linux on Desktop.

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        There’s a saying: “Don’t break Debian.” It’s considered among the most stable options, and that’s in part because of its extremely long test cycles (which can come with its own set of problems, on occasion).

        I do find it curious that you’ve chosen to divest from even American FOSS projects. Like, Microsoft makes sense; they have no qualms about doing whatever they want with user data for profit, which inevitably goes towards billionaire machinations. But why draw that same line with FOSS?

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          Honestly, not knowing enough about how linux distros are funded is part of it.

          And the second part is more “If I’m going to commit, I might as well start off with something I can live with through whatever geopolitical wars we have to endure.” My preference is to remove as much American influence from my life as possible, including the OS and software I use.

          This is the only reason why I’m moving away from Windows, because it’s served me well.

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            First of all, I’m not trying to tell you how you should live your life. My following commentary is well-intended and in the spirit of making informed decisions, of which I believe everyone has a fundamental right. At the end of the day, follow your conscience. It’s your life to live.

            Spoiler, because I'm long-winded

            Honestly, not knowing enough about how linux distros are funded is part of it.

            Every distro is different. Some have zero financial investment and only volunteer labor. Some have community donations only. Some have funds from non-profit foundations or trusts with specific philanthropic qualifications. Some have corporate sponsors. Some have a mixture. Since you’ve narrowed things down to Ubuntu and Fedora, I recommend exploring where their money each comes from, how they use that money, what kind of governing bodies they have, etc. Though Canonical is based in London, for example, they have a reputation for being the Microsoft of the Linux world.

            It’s simpler to just dismiss all projects with American ties, but FOSS is unique in its collaboration, and drawing a hard line will make life in the FOSS space difficult, if not impossible. On top of that, it’s very unlikely to have any effect towards boycotting the billionaires and politicians that make all our lives awful.

            FOSS is unique in that it does best when everyone works together. This is antithetical to most governments, most corporations, and practically every billionaire. I get your desire to diminish American influence, and as an American myself who’s trying to do the same, I have to be careful that I don’t inadvertently harm the philanthropic efforts still happening in my own back yard.

            To me, FOSS is a way to rebel against the kind of polemicizing and politicking happening across the globe, because working together without their approval is the last thing many of them want us to do.

            Lastly, good luck with your transition! I hope you figure it out and love whatever you ultimately pick!

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              I really appreciate that. I really do.

              Considering how the EU is now looking to make a distro… based on Fedora… I’m more comfortable with the idea.

              And you are right, FOSS projects are a collaboration, and I think it’s worth for me to explore the best option for me, rather than what I feel might be the best option.

              That said, I’m backing up my Home folder, I’ve got memtest loaded on a flash drive ready to run, and I’ll be prepping Fedora 41 to install once that’s all done :)

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            Well, welcome to the Free side fellow traveller :-) I too ditched Windows for (different) political reasons 25 years ago, and haven’t looked back. You’ll love it here, 'cause if you don’t, you now have the power to change it 'til you do.

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    Another potential cause for random slowdown, errors and crashes could be overheating. Check that the fans are spinning and airflow is unobstructed. I don’t remember from the top of my head and I’m not near a computer but maybe somebody else remembers his to check that all sensors are detected and operational.

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    Like @[email protected] just said, run memory test.

    What hw do you have in that laptop?

    something went wrong, but we’re not sure what it is.

    Check the system journal with

    sudo journalctl -e

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      What hw do you have in that laptop?

      It’s the 11th Gen Framework 13 running:

      • Intel® Core™ i5-1135G7 , integrated Intel XE graphics chip
      • Western Digital Black 770 2TB SSD
      • 32gb ram (16GB x 2) Crucial DDR4-3200

      sudo journalctl -e

      This generates a lot of stuff. Anything in particular that I should post?

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        Errors and Warnings obviousky.

        you coukd redirect the output to a file

        sudo journalctl -e > log.txt and upload it sonewhere for us to check

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          Thank you! I’m going to do a proper memtest once I’m off work, and will take it from there.

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    I work in a small lab. Our systems are controlled using two computers that run 24/7. The main real-time control stack is open source and open hardware. I happens in a Linux box that runs NixOS. I would trust my life to that machine and fly it to the end of the universe and back again. It just never fails. We can even run updates while everything keeps running undisturbed. Some devices need drivers that only work with Windows. The second computer runs those under Windows 11. In contrast we have to babysit that machine constantly, USB connections are unreliable, things fail randomly. When we have to update, the world comes to a halt. It‘s an amazing difference.

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      Some devices need drivers that only work with Windows. The second computer runs those under Windows 11. In contrast we have to babysit that machine constantly, USB connections are unreliable, things fail randomly. When we have to update, the world comes to a halt.

      That was my experience before Windows 10. But 11 has been very stable.

      But, I’m hoping to get the same from Linux.

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    But with Linux, I just can’t believe how unstable it is, even when I do the absolute basic things.

    That doesn’t sound right.

    Start with Linux Mint. I’ve helped Boomers use it. My dad has been using it as his daily driver for almost 5 years and he doesn’t know the difference between an OS and a Word Processor (he keeps calling LibreOffice “Linux”).

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      I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.

      I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite is objectively a better starting place for beginners.

      The mere fact that it generates a new system for you on update and lets you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).

      How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.

      Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.

      Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lmde is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.

      I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.

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      Start with Linux Mint.

      On this laptop, Mint was even worse, unfortunately!

      I do have it running on a miniPC hooked up to my TV, though. Very basic stuff like video streaming. :(

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    For you I suggest this >> Aurora.

    Everything will work out of the box, you won’t get weird errors like Ubuntu gives, you can go back easily from GRUB if something goes wrong. Being an atomic distro may feel different but I’m sure you won’t mind.

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    Offhand anecdotes here as I only have Ubuntu on a 2012 MacBook.

    That said the error post update is likely just a service that didn’t restart properly. Many of these are not necessarily critical, does it say what program crashed? A reboot would guarantee a fix here.

    Unfortunately the issues with apps might be the snap packaging, this does slow apps down a bit which could cause pretty much all the remaining issues. I haven’t personally used it but might look up flatpak as a replacement and see if that helps. If others don’t explain how to do this I will try to come edit this later with an explainer or link or something to help.

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      Unfortunately the issues with apps might be the snap packaging, this does slow apps down a bit which could cause pretty much all the remaining issues. I haven’t personally used it but might look up flatpak as a replacement and see if that helps. If others don’t explain how to do this I will try to come edit this later with an explainer or link or something to help.

      I’ve been reading about Snap packages not being ideal.

      I did get flatpak working (one app is only distributed through flatpaks), but I wonder if it would be better to move any packages to flatpaks, or even just DEB packages instead of Snap.

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    I use Debian on an old Thinkpad and (mostly) don’t have such issues. Installs and upg6in particular work fine. I had probs with the wifi driver on my x220 but it works fine on the similar t520. Framework might be trying to do too much.

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    This blows my mind, honestly. Since I moved to Linux about 8 years ago, I’ve had little to no issues. No force of nature can ever make me go back to Windows and it’s constant crashing for no reason. I run PopOS on a PC, Fedora Workstation on my laptop, my wife is also in Fedora, kids too (Nobara), and everything works. Mind you, the only device that is “made for Linux” is my laptop.

    Your experience is very out of the ordinary.

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      Your experience is very out of the ordinary.

      That gives me hope! LOL

      If it is something I’m doing, then this could be remedied.

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    Usually, my attempts to use it are either thwarted by issues installing, issues booting, or general problems while using it… leading to “catastrophic failure” that I can’t fix without digging into hours of research and terminal commands.

    This was my experience as well … 20 years ago. I’ve not had many of these issues over the past few years using any distro. I used Debian for a couple years and now I’m on Arch. Really, it just works for me…

    TBH now that I think about it, I ran in to more issues with Ubuntu than just simply using Debian.

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      TBH now that I think about it, I ran in to more issues with Ubuntu than just simply using Debian.

      That seems to be the consensus from reading the other comments!

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        Yeah, I didn’t want to be not supportive of your choice of distros, but my immediate thought was not Ubuntu… I use it headless for some homelab servers, but nowadays as far as desktops go, Ubuntu is not it.

        Someone below mentioned Aurora, Bazzite’s sister. I currently use Bluefin, which is another of Bazzite’s sisters, also on Framework, and it has been pretty set it and forget it. They’re all “atomic” desktops in that it’s hard to be able change the underlaying important parts of your computer, while you have free reign on all the bits that aren’t important to keep the lights on. Updates happen frequently, but don’t touch your files on top, so it’s always the latest, and if something does break, you can easily boot up into the last image you were on.

        If you’re not looking to tweak your computer too much and just want it to run, I’d recommend Aurora or Bluefin depending on your desktop preferences.

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          Someone below mentioned Aurora, Bazzite’s sister. I currently use Bluefin, which is another of Bazzite’s sisters, also on Framework,

          I know nothing about these… but I just installed Aurora in Boxes to try, and damn, it’s nice. Maybe a little “too busy”, but it’s got everything I could ask for out of the box (no need for extension manager). I might replace Mint with Aurora on my MiniPC, but if it’s as unbreakable as they say, it may replace Fedora.

          Right now, Fedora has still be very stable, but since I’m staring from scratch, I might as well get it right the first time. I’ll be experimenting more to see which I prefer.

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            If it makes you feel any better it sort of is Fedora. Fedora has both original and atomic flavors. Someone took the atomic flavor of Fedora (which comes as a blank slate) and added in some quality of life changes. Nothing permanent, just tweaking some settings and preinstalling some programs. And then called it as Aurora.

            And the only difference between Aurora and Bluefin is KDE (very customizable and Windows like) vs Gnome (customizable through widgets, but not enough if you’re a power tweaker and more of a Mac style desktop environments). And Bazzite is the same, but gamer focused (I installed it on my steamdeck).

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    It’s certainly weird that you have these issues on a Framework + an officially supported distribution.

    Does it really run flawlessly on Windows 11? Because we have Framework 13’s at work, which run W11 and they DO NOT run flawlessly.

    What about a fresh installation of Ubuntu? Do you have issues then? It could be some kind of configuration that you do, that screws with your system?

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      Does it really run flawlessly on Windows 11?

      OMG, yes. Windows 11 has been running perfectly on both my Framework and an old (15 year old) desktop that doesn’t even officially support Windows 11! LOL

      No crashes, no BSOD, no driver issues, no lockups. That’s why I’m so frustrated right now. I don’t want to use Windows, but I feel spoiled by the experience with it. :(

      What about a fresh installation of Ubuntu? Do you have issues then? It could be some kind of configuration that you do, that screws with your system?

      I installed Ubuntu several days ago (after several failed attempts to get Mint working). The problems started pretty quickly, but they are ongoing, and it’s getting annoying.

      Someone else suggested another distro. I may need to see if that’s a better option.

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          Off the top of my head, issues with installing. Like, it would say that installation is complete, I go to reboot, and it’s like it did nothing. No partitions were created, no boot changes. Then it would load without audio or issues with the fingerprint reader…

          It is listed on the Framework site as being community supported, but Fedora and Ubuntu are officially supported by Framework.

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            It should at least install properly.

            What kind of installation medium do you use? Have you tried a different USB? How do you make the bootable USB?

            Could be an issue with Secure Boot in BIOS.

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              I had tried several, actually. But Ubuntu was installed through an external SSD.

              To create the bootable drive, I’ve tried Rufus, Ventoy, and Etcher. I believe Etcher was the last one, and the one that got me to actually install Ubuntu.

              Could be an issue with Secure Boot in BIOS.

              Secure Boot and Bitlocker were turned off before I installed anything, as I know these could be issues. I haven’t turned either back on, but will once I get this to be stable.