Claiming that was the easiest election in history discounts the fact that just under half the voting public didn’t respect a very-experienced politician with a history of pro-people causes and perseverance; they wanted the man with no experience and scandals buzzing around him like flies.
Do you remember the PUMAs in 2008? More Bernie Bros were willing to vote Hillary in the general than PUMAs were willing to vote Obama.
But we’re getting distracted, you can’t blame Bernie supporters because the politician chosen by the DNC had the blood of millions on her hands, and was just generally unlikable.
You run a politician that offers the people fuckall, of course they’re not gonna take a day off work to vote for you, they’d rather have the money.
And her opponent is a misogynistic chauvinist who mocks people with disabilities, diddles children, cheats on his wives, openly talks about sexually assaulting people, has open ties with Putin and Kim Jong-un, honestly I’d be here all day if I tried to scratch just the surface.
Yet voters were okay with him over a milquetoast career politician. She was held to a much higher standard than Trump ever was, hell she still is given that she is somehow being blamed for the farce that is Trump. Why don’t people blame him instead?
She never made a real attempt to meet the voters where they were. Bernie and Trump are both populists, and that was what the people wanted. They wanted–and still want–someone that makes them believe that their candidate will fight for them. Trump excites his base, because they feel like he’ll punish the people that they hate.
UK citizen here. Already had 3 women prime ministers.
It wasn’t that Hilary was a woman, simply she was more dislikable than Liz Truss and seemed to put nothing out to convince people to vote for her. It wasn’t clear at all what she stood for or what her platform was.
It came across as entitled and like she took the electorate for granted. No matter how great or good you think you are, or how bad your rival is, you still have to ask the electorate to lend you there vote.
She stood for literally nothing. Just like Biden. And the DNC was caught cheating during the early primaries to thwart Bernie. Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020. At least they didn’t actively commit fraud like in 2016 I guess.
She stood for the corporatist democrats. Hillary is, in my mind, the very avatar of the corporatist democrats. I will never forget Bernie going to attent picket lines while Hillary was attending $10,000/seat dinners. I ended up holding my nose and voting for her in the end, because a shitty Democrat on their worst day is still better than Trump. Anyway, I voted for her, so all this high minded “she was right” rhetoric just pisses me off even worse, tbh.
Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020.
I’m surprised how quickly it was forgotten. I feel like I remember it being an open secret at the time - and with a shove from Jim Clyburn at a key moment just to make sure.
Clyburn’s endorsement of Joe Biden on February 26, 2020, three days before the South Carolina primary, was considered pivotal in the 2020 Democratic presidential primaries. Several analyses have determined the endorsement changed the trajectory of the race, due to Clyburn’s influence over the state’s African-Americans, who make up the majority of its Democratic electorate. Until Clyburn’s endorsement, Biden had not won a single primary and had placed fourth, fifth, and a distant second in the Iowa, New Hampshire, and Nevada caucuses and primaries, respectively. Three days after the South Carolina primary, Biden took a delegate lead on Super Tuesday, and a month later he clinched the nomination.[69][70][71] Biden went on to win the 2020 Presidential election.
Misogyny happens everywhere, but it doesn’t help fight it when calling the public misogynists because they didn’t support a dreadful candidate. A man can be a dreadful candidate, and so can a woman.
The degradation of women’s rights is down to failure of the Democrats to maintain balance in the supreme court. It also represents RBGs inability to step aside when Democrats were in power. Supreme Court justices should have some decency, retire at say 67, and allow a new generation to come along. Clinging on until 87 was insanely risky as you certainly need 5 to 10 years leeway to navigate out on your terms. RBG was eulogised, but her clinging to her seat undermined a careers work and any progress on women’s rights amongst other core rights.
Do you want to tell me who you think was responsible for the 6 - 3 majority on the supreme court? Do you want to tell me how what I said was not the reason for that balance on the SC? Do you not think the overturning of Roe vs Wade was the erosion of women’s rights?
Why are you so fixated on a candidate from the past that was just no good?
There are places far more misogynistic than the US that have had women presidents/heads of government. Pakistan of all places has had a woman prime minister.
almost as if the people who chose to not show up for her were the type of people who would feel disenfranchised by the primary process that crowned her as the candidate before they voted.
Claiming that was the easiest election in history discounts the fact that just under half the voting public didn’t respect a very-experienced politician with a history of pro-people causes and perseverance; they wanted the man with no experience and scandals buzzing around him like flies.
Don’t hate the player.
No, we wanted Bernie and abstained because both choices were disgusting.
How’d that work out? 😅
Do you remember the PUMAs in 2008? More Bernie Bros were willing to vote Hillary in the general than PUMAs were willing to vote Obama.
But we’re getting distracted, you can’t blame Bernie supporters because the politician chosen by the DNC had the blood of millions on her hands, and was just generally unlikable.
You run a politician that offers the people fuckall, of course they’re not gonna take a day off work to vote for you, they’d rather have the money.
I remember PUMA! It originally stood for “Party Unity, My Ass”. Can you imagine the uproar if Bernie supporters had done anything like that?
Her husband was a neoliberal who cheated on her with a subordinate while in office. Welcome to reality
What does that have to do with it?
And her opponent is a misogynistic chauvinist who mocks people with disabilities, diddles children, cheats on his wives, openly talks about sexually assaulting people, has open ties with Putin and Kim Jong-un, honestly I’d be here all day if I tried to scratch just the surface.
Yet voters were okay with him over a milquetoast career politician. She was held to a much higher standard than Trump ever was, hell she still is given that she is somehow being blamed for the farce that is Trump. Why don’t people blame him instead?
She never made a real attempt to meet the voters where they were. Bernie and Trump are both populists, and that was what the people wanted. They wanted–and still want–someone that makes them believe that their candidate will fight for them. Trump excites his base, because they feel like he’ll punish the people that they hate.
LITERALLY. Didn’t visit Wisconsin during the entire campaign.
UK citizen here. Already had 3 women prime ministers.
It wasn’t that Hilary was a woman, simply she was more dislikable than Liz Truss and seemed to put nothing out to convince people to vote for her. It wasn’t clear at all what she stood for or what her platform was.
It came across as entitled and like she took the electorate for granted. No matter how great or good you think you are, or how bad your rival is, you still have to ask the electorate to lend you there vote.
Map room to fight climate change and you think it wasn’t clear?
She stood for literally nothing. Just like Biden. And the DNC was caught cheating during the early primaries to thwart Bernie. Just like how Biden went from 4th to 1st overnight after coordinated drop-outs in 2020. At least they didn’t actively commit fraud like in 2016 I guess.
She stood for the corporatist democrats. Hillary is, in my mind, the very avatar of the corporatist democrats. I will never forget Bernie going to attent picket lines while Hillary was attending $10,000/seat dinners. I ended up holding my nose and voting for her in the end, because a shitty Democrat on their worst day is still better than Trump. Anyway, I voted for her, so all this high minded “she was right” rhetoric just pisses me off even worse, tbh.
I’m surprised how quickly it was forgotten. I feel like I remember it being an open secret at the time - and with a shove from Jim Clyburn at a key moment just to make sure.
Wrong friendo. Here in the states the misogyny is real and pronounced.
Have you noticed what has happened to women’s reproductive rights in the past couple of years?
Misogyny happens everywhere, but it doesn’t help fight it when calling the public misogynists because they didn’t support a dreadful candidate. A man can be a dreadful candidate, and so can a woman.
The degradation of women’s rights is down to failure of the Democrats to maintain balance in the supreme court. It also represents RBGs inability to step aside when Democrats were in power. Supreme Court justices should have some decency, retire at say 67, and allow a new generation to come along. Clinging on until 87 was insanely risky as you certainly need 5 to 10 years leeway to navigate out on your terms. RBG was eulogised, but her clinging to her seat undermined a careers work and any progress on women’s rights amongst other core rights.
Cool. Blame everyone but those to blame.
Do you want to tell me who you think was responsible for the 6 - 3 majority on the supreme court? Do you want to tell me how what I said was not the reason for that balance on the SC? Do you not think the overturning of Roe vs Wade was the erosion of women’s rights?
Why are you so fixated on a candidate from the past that was just no good?
Did you miss the part where republicans stonewalled any nominations?
You did, didn’t you.
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/13/1185496055/supreme-court-conservative-majority-thomas-trump-bush
Its in the rules. Dems got embarrassed because they assumed Republicans would play fairly. Which over decades, it has been proven, no they do not.
They left it wayyy too late in the term to do it. If you leave anything to the last minute, you have no margin for error.
What’s your excuses for why it was fine to leave it until last minute?
It’s in the rules
Republicans didn’t play fairly
The first or last day of a president’s term is different in your eyes
I’m the one that’s somehow wrong
Whoops 🤡
There are places far more misogynistic than the US that have had women presidents/heads of government. Pakistan of all places has had a woman prime minister.
almost as if the people who chose to not show up for her were the type of people who would feel disenfranchised by the primary process that crowned her as the candidate before they voted.
Of course, it’s never the party’s or the candidate’s fault, only ever blame the voters.
Voters are ultimately the ones who decide elections. Which is why we had Jan 6 and people getting pissy they couldn’t accept it.
It’s the candidate’s responsibility to win over the voters.
Id even say that her being a very-experienced politician was the problem, because people were fed up with the status quo