I think you missed the context. In the video, he meant instead of using “takeover the means of production” use terms that everyday people can understand and relate to. And yes, you’re right, the video is indeed left bashing, but for good reason. The whole point of the video is to point out the flaws of the left and put out the need for more organization and less puritanism (also actually knowing history and actions of current regimes)
use terms that everyday people can understand and relate to
Nobody would think “super-capitalism” means “worker ownership of the means of production.” It’s intentionally misusing language to in the opposite of what it actually means and is understood of in the hope of somehow “gaming” politics through blatant and obvious rhetorical trickery. It’s completely ridiculous and would be trivially torn apart by the right if it wasn’t so innately ineffective to be beneath their notice and not even worth refuting.
less puritanism
He’s more obsessed with purity than anyone, just in the opposite direction. Even when you have a broadly popular figure like Hasan who’s clearly valuable and effective in promoting leftist ideas, he still comes after him, completely ignoring the actual reality of his popularity and effectiveness because he doesn’t pass Adam’s own purity test.
(also actually knowing history and actions of current regimes)
And yet, he expressed open disdain for actually reading theory. The fact that he does so while saying such blatant nonsense really convinces me more of the importance of reading theory.
It is important to understand the history of various socialist projects and their various successes and failures, but to do that you actually have to engage with them and understand their beliefs and their reasons for making the decisions they did - something that Adam Something clearly has absolutely zero interest in doing. The left suffers from this tendency he exhibits to completely write off any insufficiently pure project as having zero connection to “real” leftism, which makes it categorically impossible to learn from past mistakes.
Did you watch a different video? He said that reality-challenged tankie spaces aren’t able to contribute to a leftist movement that is able to attract workers.
tankie spaces aren’t able to contribute to a leftist movement
Right, like I said, left-bashing.
Btw, is Hasan Piker a tankie? Because he bashed him too, and he’s by far the largest leftist politics streamer with an enormous influence and broad appeal. But I guess he’s not ideologically pure enough for Adam Something so therefore he’s a tankie and useless.
His whole way of thinking is entirely idealist, as if creating an ideologically pure movement (ironically, by ditching any semblance of socialism including even the word, in favor of “super capitalism”), the left will automatically win. Nowhere in the video does he discuss any positive vision or any actually strategy other than punching left. Obviously, he serves as nothing but an off-ramp to get people to abandon leftist ideas they might otherwise be inclined towards, the only question is whether he’s doing it intentionally or is just a useful idiot of the right.
He made a case against elitist/purist versions of leftism, so you accusing him of excluding people that aren’t ideologically pure enough indicates that you massively missed the point.
Similar with “left-bashing”: he’s a leftist, why would he? He has views about what makes us unable to be attractive to a wider audience, that’s constructive criticism.
I understood his message perfectly, nothing “flew over my head,” it’s just that his message is stupid and wrong so I’m criticizing it. And you’re resorting to condescension since you have no ability to answer my criticisms. Is Hasan Piker a tankie, yes or no?
No doubt you’re within the circle of the personality cult these sorts of people tend to form and can’t imagine the concept of someone understanding and disagreeing.
Adam Something has repeatedly used “Super Capitalism” as a conservative-friendly way of saying worker co-ops. You’d know this if you paid attention to the video, or watched his other videos.
I did pay attention to the video. I understand what he’s aiming to do with rebranding leftist ideas as “super-capitalist” I just think it’s a completely braindead move. It doesn’t matter how much you try to avoid the label, if you ever pose any genuine threat to capital then you will be branded as a socialist whether you are or not, even if you do manage to trick a couple gullible rubes by lying to them (which would be unlikely to work in the first place).
I have no particular problem with worker co-ops, I do absolutely have a problem with this idiotic nonsense. If you allow the socialist label to be a boogeyman you are shooting yourself in the foot, it’s literally how we got here in the first place.
You learn the left-bashing well lmao. Just default to it immediately whenever confronted with criticism you can’t answer.
Is this y’all’s version of theory, where you get this shit from? Good to finally know where the shitlibs on here come from, I kinda assumed it was some random YouTube personality.
Literally the majority of the video is just random left-bashing lmao
And then proposing “super-capitalism” as a solution what an absolute clown
I think you missed the context. In the video, he meant instead of using “takeover the means of production” use terms that everyday people can understand and relate to. And yes, you’re right, the video is indeed left bashing, but for good reason. The whole point of the video is to point out the flaws of the left and put out the need for more organization and less puritanism (also actually knowing history and actions of current regimes)
Nobody would think “super-capitalism” means “worker ownership of the means of production.” It’s intentionally misusing language to in the opposite of what it actually means and is understood of in the hope of somehow “gaming” politics through blatant and obvious rhetorical trickery. It’s completely ridiculous and would be trivially torn apart by the right if it wasn’t so innately ineffective to be beneath their notice and not even worth refuting.
He’s more obsessed with purity than anyone, just in the opposite direction. Even when you have a broadly popular figure like Hasan who’s clearly valuable and effective in promoting leftist ideas, he still comes after him, completely ignoring the actual reality of his popularity and effectiveness because he doesn’t pass Adam’s own purity test.
And yet, he expressed open disdain for actually reading theory. The fact that he does so while saying such blatant nonsense really convinces me more of the importance of reading theory.
It is important to understand the history of various socialist projects and their various successes and failures, but to do that you actually have to engage with them and understand their beliefs and their reasons for making the decisions they did - something that Adam Something clearly has absolutely zero interest in doing. The left suffers from this tendency he exhibits to completely write off any insufficiently pure project as having zero connection to “real” leftism, which makes it categorically impossible to learn from past mistakes.
Did you watch a different video? He said that reality-challenged tankie spaces aren’t able to contribute to a leftist movement that is able to attract workers.
That sounds entirely accurate to me.
Right, like I said, left-bashing.
Btw, is Hasan Piker a tankie? Because he bashed him too, and he’s by far the largest leftist politics streamer with an enormous influence and broad appeal. But I guess he’s not ideologically pure enough for Adam Something so therefore he’s a tankie and useless.
His whole way of thinking is entirely idealist, as if creating an ideologically pure movement (ironically, by ditching any semblance of socialism including even the word, in favor of “super capitalism”), the left will automatically win. Nowhere in the video does he discuss any positive vision or any actually strategy other than punching left. Obviously, he serves as nothing but an off-ramp to get people to abandon leftist ideas they might otherwise be inclined towards, the only question is whether he’s doing it intentionally or is just a useful idiot of the right.
He made a case against elitist/purist versions of leftism, so you accusing him of excluding people that aren’t ideologically pure enough indicates that you massively missed the point.
Similar with “left-bashing”: he’s a leftist, why would he? He has views about what makes us unable to be attractive to a wider audience, that’s constructive criticism.
Are you fine bro? everything in just flew over your head like a feather in the strong wind, did you sleep well, eat well?
I understood his message perfectly, nothing “flew over my head,” it’s just that his message is stupid and wrong so I’m criticizing it. And you’re resorting to condescension since you have no ability to answer my criticisms. Is Hasan Piker a tankie, yes or no?
No doubt you’re within the circle of the personality cult these sorts of people tend to form and can’t imagine the concept of someone understanding and disagreeing.
are you against worker co-ops?
Did you reply to the wrong comment?
Are you?
Adam Something has repeatedly used “Super Capitalism” as a conservative-friendly way of saying worker co-ops. You’d know this if you paid attention to the video, or watched his other videos.
I did pay attention to the video. I understand what he’s aiming to do with rebranding leftist ideas as “super-capitalist” I just think it’s a completely braindead move. It doesn’t matter how much you try to avoid the label, if you ever pose any genuine threat to capital then you will be branded as a socialist whether you are or not, even if you do manage to trick a couple gullible rubes by lying to them (which would be unlikely to work in the first place).
I have no particular problem with worker co-ops, I do absolutely have a problem with this idiotic nonsense. If you allow the socialist label to be a boogeyman you are shooting yourself in the foot, it’s literally how we got here in the first place.
Do you genuinely take this clown seriously? Lmao.
ok lemmy.ml
You learn the left-bashing well lmao. Just default to it immediately whenever confronted with criticism you can’t answer.
Is this y’all’s version of theory, where you get this shit from? Good to finally know where the shitlibs on here come from, I kinda assumed it was some random YouTube personality.