I was curious what the Linux people think about Microsoft and any bad practices that most people should know about already?
Why did you link to the Microsoft website?
In case people didn’t know what company he was referring to. /s
I’m just hearing about them now. Do they make really tiny software or something?
my favorite bit was how no one at microsoft actually understood their own licensing pricing. for decades, you could call microsoft for pricing and get different answer from people in cubicles next to each other or even from your own rep.
it was as if they were making it up as needed.
Impossible to know it, there isn’t any other corporation who fight with M$ it is a perfect monopoly so it’s impossible to figure a world without it.
What does “bad” means to you exactly? They are the hypocrites just like any big corporation, value only money, they reinvent wheels all the time, but their products pretty good despite being non-free, and making programs is much easier for Windows then GNU/Linux.
It would be even better if they didn’t force you to use only their products.
You value simplicity or free of choice and privacy? The “bad” definition depends on it.
It really depends on your perspective if windows is „easier“ to produce for. They are fully and redundantly vertically integrated which means they have the means to produce IDEs and even create programming languages.
But it is hugely easier to create a small app on linux imo. The simplicity of linux and the modularity of the different desktop environments is pretty great.
Is it tech illiterate friendly like windows? No! It would be great if everyone would be able to use linux now but we‘re gonna have to be patient.
I wish everyone use GNU/Linux too. Mostly agree with you. Except of calling Linux simple. I wish it was simple… (Unless you mean simplicity of use?)
In this particular case I meant that linux is the same in all regards: open source. You can look everything up if you have the time. This makes it possible to change everything and anything you need. Even through different DEs you still have the same structure.
Now if you go try that with windows, you‘re properly hosed. Different package manager? No! Different desktop environment? No!
Simple might not have been the best choice of words though. Modularity might be better.
I do lean to having privacy and freedom to do whatever with my tools as “good” things
Then it’s very unusual question that GNU/Linux user could ask. If I may ask, what is your story with Microsoft? What was the last drop for you?
My last straw was the privacy and lack of control.
I didn’t like software being released by Microsoft telling me my choices were bad or unoptimal, I like my software, I made my choices from listening to others and forming my own opinion. I had a shift in thinking recently, I wanted to start selecting my software based on my values rather than just choosing whatever works.
Embrace, extend, extinguish
They also wrote the book on user-hostile everything
And set the bar super low for other tech companies
Came here to say this. They wrote the playbook that has spelled the end or at least shitification of so many standards, open-source or otherwise(but usually still free-to-use or at least cheap).
IIRC It’s on their Wikipedia
I would argue that all companies are bad. But Microsoft specifically abuses their de facto monopoly to engage in gross invasion of their users’ privacy, and continues to try to wrest their users’ control of their system from them by altering system settings after updates, and making some settings nearly impossible to change. And that’s to say nothing of MS’s attempts to turn their operating system into and advertising platform.
Yes. During the entire history of MSDOS, Windows and Internet Explorer, there are so many things you can pick why Microsoft is bad. Now they even integrate Recall into Windows. I want to say that I always disconnected Xbox from Microsoft; and I’m not entirely sure why.
The question of this post is a bit misleading, because it implies that someone could answer with “no”. Better question (in my opinion) is “How bad is Microsoft?”.
It used to be pretty bad, back when it was using all the dirty tricks it could invent to build its monopoly. By now though it’s just obsolete.
Sure enough, it’s up there with Facebook and Saudi Aramco.
Obsolete? Hardly. The Surface, GamePass, Xbox, GitHub, Skype and just general market dominance says otherwise. They only lost their effective monopoly due to antitrust lawsuits.
Currently, there’s lots of better options out there, true, but it’s far from obsolete.
Is Skype still a thing? I thought it died soon after MS bought it!
It’s Teams, now.
Ugh, Teams. I can’t believe Skype and MSN died for this!
It’s a phone service and business communications. I have to use it for work
Huh, didn’t realise they were still bothering to sell it
First they tried to destroy FOSS, then they realized that they can make money and gain control using open source software, so now they pretend to support it. Microsoft is a monopolistic piece of garbage that I’m staying away from at all costs.
I don’t think they’re pretending. Open source software is a valuable resource for basically all major tech companies, and a lot of it is driven by major tech companies. Some kind of combination of open source and proprietary software will always be a thing for them. This isn’t some major contradiction, they use either model based on the specific needs of the project.
This is why some think “Open Source” is too permissive since they see it as free/cheap labor to be exploited by huge corporations.
I’m not sure that I see it that way, but I can see their point.
If as soon as it’s more profitable for it to not be they stop supporting it, then yes they were pretending.
It’s not as if they are holding themselves up as supporting Free Software philosophies (as opposed to Open Source), so where’s the pretense?
If somehow it ever makes strategic sense for them to stop making use of the open source model, yeah, they’ll stop. That doesn’t mean they were pretending.
Extinguish, fail, extend, embrace, extinguish again!
“Rinse and repeat”
Lets talk about THEIR carbon footprint while creating “equality” and new “bussiness opportunities”
They do this because we pay them to.
Microsoft has basically taken almost all businesses in the world hostage.
Once your staff is trained on MS products and your own stuff is fully connected to Azure, you’re trapped and they can adjust prices to just below what you can bear.Microsoft doesn’t need a monopoly in the dying consumer desktop market anymore. That’s why they’re the top contributor to the Linux kernel, integrated a Linux layer into their OS, offer to save documents in an open format in Office, and host articles on how to install Linux in their documentation.
The year of the Linux desktop has finally come. Everyone who doesn’t still run Windows 7, now has a Unix system installed on their PCs (and all other devices). It’s just one that’s distributed by Google, Microsoft or Apple.
Are you talking about Microsoft or Amazon?
Honestly its easier to switch from Word to Writer than EC2 to another provider
One pet peeve of mine is how in Windows 10 switching between virtual desktops was flawless, and somehow in Windows 11 they fucked it up. At first it had no animation when switching, the taskbar kind of glitches. Now it has an animation but it’s kind of delayed and the taskbar still kind of glitches, it seems to reload or something. Kinda crazy honestly
Could it be the new taskbar? It’s the worst part of W11, I don’t understand why they had to replace the old one.
Working there is apparently pretty nice. Microsoft on the inside is not Microsoft on the outside.
But regardless, terrible company with terrible products. Even if they didn’t do anything shady, they still aren’t great.
I don’t think about Microsoft at all mostly. I supported their stuff professionally in the past and friends/family but otherwise total avoidance. They own some big game studios so I probably use some of their products like Minecraft but I haven’t used their operating systems or applications for decades and I dislike and distrust cloud services and theirs is no exception. All big companies tend to be the same. Try not to depend on any of them.
I consider their new push for webapps in stead of traditional client as bad practice, its buggier and runs like absolute shit
does it matter how bad it is? does it matter how much shit is in a shit sandwich?
I’m not having it however little there is.
There is a possibility of having 0.01% shit in the sandwitch from water used in it due to some leakage from a toilet tank. Would you not eat it?
Also yeah who known houseflys sit on shit and land on sandwitch at some point in time
Tap for spoiler
jk i agree with your point tho
weeell you kinda misrepresented the stated point, creating what’s commonly referred to as a strawman.
the subject isn’t a random sandwich that might or might not have contaminates in it; the subject is a shit sandwich. therefore it’s pointless to argue exactly how much shit is in a shit sandwich, as its essence and genesis preclude it from being considered nourishment.
now there’s copious propaganda out there convincing you it isn’t that bad, lotsa people do it, memba the sandwich from decades ago you loved… but we’re in the wrong community for that.
