Summary
Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.
Summary
Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.
That doesn’t work as a matter of international law.
For example, we have had multiple instances where we provided civil aid to a country only to have it confiscated and misappropriated by a corrupt government, that doesn’t mean we stop sending aid.
You’re not the Hague and law is not morality. Taking the stance that a “plz don’t use for genocide” note absolves the United States of responsibility is a subjective stance. You can carry on an argument for why you think that should be the case, but you shouldn’t be moderating because someone does not hold your view.
And none of your examples apply in the least to sending weapons to Israel post invasion. They’re using our weapons to do genocide, the same people are in power, and the weapons are being used out in the open as official acts by the government.
The fact of the matter is that Israel is (correctly) being blamed by the ICC, NOT America.
Not that it matters what the ICC says anyway, but that’s an entirely different problem.
The real problem is Israel doesn’t need our help exterminating Gazans, they never have. They didn’t need our help starting the blockade back in the 90s, they didn’t need our help killing people immediately following Oct. 7, and their snipers don’t need our help killing kids today in violation of the cease fire.
https://lemmy.world/post/24563168
The notion that it would have all stopped except for Biden’s aid is a child-like understanding of what’s been happening over there and the knee-jerk lemmy reaction of “US bad”.
This is a fine subjective argument you’re making. You keep coming back to this with your opinion on responsibility and not addressing that this is your opinion on a subjective subject (how responsibility is divided between an actor and someone who has supported them). There’s lots of interesting moral philosophy about the subject.
What it isn’t is objective truth. No amount of arguing is going to change that. You might theoretically even change my opinion, but it’s never going to become an objective truth that justifies moderating someone saying “Biden supported genocide” as misinformation.
Again, not subjective. The ICC has charged Israel, not the United States, not Biden.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/11/israel-opt-netanyahu-gallant-and-al-masri-must-face-justice-at-the-icc-for-charges-of-war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity/
If the US were to blame for the Genocide, the ICC would have charged Biden right alongside Netanyahu just like they charged Putin over Ukraine, they did not.
But, like I say, it doesn’t really matter as the ICC rulings have no enforcement. Would be nice!
JFC dude. The ICC is not the arbiter of people’s legitimate moral philosophy and you are not a judge at the Hague. You can’t export your moral (or moderation) judgement to the court system.
Philosophy doesn’t enter into it, this is about legal liability and the facts are right behind what I’m telling you. Quoted, cited facts.
I’m not asking you to LIKE it. But you have to accept the reality that only a very small fringe believes Biden is to blame for this.
You have this so backwards it actually makes my head hurt.
It is a shame you are a moderator in this community given your strange sense of when appealing to an authority for truth is acceptable and when it isn’t.
Like… sure the ICJ is necessary and great but who is to say they don’t believe the US and Biden are directly complicit they just know saying the whole truth gives them zero chance of winning? That is a very simple but reasonable hypothetical and I made it to point out the massive blindspot in your understanding of the world.
Biden absolutely is as directly morally culpable as if he had dropped the bombs himself, you don’t get to play games with escaping culpability when you get the job as president…
and just to be clear, fuck Trump
Again, morality and philosophy are subjective. Legally, which is objective, Biden is not responsible.
NO, IT ISN’T. The discussion was never about legal liability. You made that excuse! Whether Biden is responsible is a moral question, not a legal one. There’s whole fields of moral philosophy about these things. You can be responsible for simply not stopping a third party from doing something, let alone actively enabling them.
Even if that’s true, that doesn’t matter, and SUBJECTIVELY, I think you’re the one with a weird minority position (no responsibility for arming someone known to be dangerous). The whole point is that neither of these position is an objective truth, because they’re about moral belief. You’ve got an opinion, it could even be the majority opinion, but it’s an OPINION, because the whole question doesn’t have an objective answer.
I really don’t get how you think this is a legal question, or that the ICC would be the ultimate deciding body of what legitimate opinions people can hold about responsibility for immoral acts. It’s a baffling opinion, and I’d love to do this debate back and forth, but the resolution of our moral debate is irrelevant, because the real problem is that you’re moderating based on a subjective belief and for some reason unable to even recognize that moral responsibility is a subjective topic.
It absolutely is, you kept bringing up the subjective vs. objective argument.
The objective truth is the legal rulings from the ICC court cited above.
Your subjective notion of what’s “philosophically true” cannot be objectively proven one way or the other. That’s the very nature of philosophy.
I gave you the citations from Biden stating his reasoning, I gave you the ruling from the ICC. These are all the legal standings surrounding Biden’s support of Israel.
If you want the objective truth, you have it, quoted and sourced. If you choose to reject it, well, I can’t help you with that.