They mean instance

I thought Ada added you as a mod to this comm well after it’s creation?

Ahh thx, seen this many times in the wild

Only if you think that the instance’s userbase doesn’t matter for any given community.

Thanks for the info. When I got online today, I was very confused at what had gone down; I appreciate people such as yourself who have made it easier to follow current events in this tiny corner of the internet

But the community doesn’t have a problem with the admin, the mods have a problem.

And instead of leaving, they thought they could take the whole community with them without asking

Ada was banning users without telling the mods.

I was banning users from the whole instance, not specifically from 196. Instance bans doesn’t get pre-approved by community mods. Which is how every admin on every lemmy instance works, including lemmy.world.

this is a quote from ada

“I have asked 196 for years now to have an active blahaj.zone mod so that someone can deal with the blahaj.zone reports that constantly come through and build up, but still, the best we got were mods with alt accounts that get checked every couple of days, leaving me to deal with the build up of reports on 196. Sometimes they would hang around there for days while I waited for a 196 mod to log in and look at them. And because you don’t like the way I deal with them, you drag me over the coals for my moderation style, despite no one from 196 stepping up to deal with those reports on a regular basis.”

the issue is not ada banning users without telling mods, it was mods not doing their job and ada stepping in to take action when no one else would.

i read the post that was used as an example of adas supposed overreach, but that commenter was basically saying that cis people cant be allys because trans people arent nice enough to them, reeks of transphobia to me.

The problem is federation, because it prevents us from seeing a complete log of the reports from any given instance.

You don’t see any reports from a non-local account.

So perhaps if LBZ was the right instance to check reports from, it would have been super helpful for both parties if they accepted my application. I’m still waiting two years later.

You never bothered to ask for support on [email protected] ? Admins could have solved that in a few hours.

So you are telling us that even now you don’t have a functional Blahaj account?

Reports don’t federate, you need a local account to see them.

Seems like this mod never bothered setting one up.

yeah i already subscribed

wasn’t vagueposting about you, saw the same comment coming from a few accounts

also mods can pretend they “own” or control a community all they want, but at the end of the day all they control is a board. people will just move wherever they please, as demonstrated by /c/onehundredninetysix and [gestures] everyone in this thread.

Really? All of them? Personally, I’d be happy enough taking no more than two heads for this. Whatever the case, I think the main priority should be adding new mods whose attitudes are more in line with the comm.

Anyway, I’m sure there’s stuff that’s happened in private that I’m unaware of, but it seems like qaz has been pretty level-headed about the whole thing, Rmbp, despite approving of the move and thus being generally out of touch with the community claims (believably, IMO) to have had no knowledge of, let alone input over the process prior to the call being made, greembow hasn’t posted anything in a year, and Peachy has wisely kept pretty quiet about it, with a grand total of two (one if we’re not counting duplicates) pretty neutral comments in threads about the mod team’s decision.

Yes, all this and the fact that the move was months in the making but had almost zero* communication with the broader community really just paints a picture of a thoroughly dysfunctional mod team acting in a bubble, but from what little I understand I’d argue this particular fiasco was done mostly on the initiative of the “head honcho of 196” and A_Very_Big_Fan, who made the announcements and were the ones to double down on it in the face of community pushback.

* a month or so ago when PJ really got his knickers in a twist about not being allowed to misgender neopronoun users by LBZ’s site rules one of the mods mentioned they were considering a move to dotworld and got pushback then too

after seeing they added this part, they wont

Why not have another team take over the original 196?

Tbh I’m happy with the new onehundredninetysix com, I’d prefer if these mods and anyone that supports their decisions move to .world

thank you for providing the link to the source

it’s really incredible how the more i learn about the situation, the more the current mod team just seems like a complete mess

I feel I need to clarify that. I am not saying that the 196 team didn’t moderate. What I’m saying is that because most of their moderators are based on remote instances, due to the way lemmy reports and moderation work, some of the reports fell through the “federation cracks” and didn’t get actioned remotely. And because mostly they appeared to be issues about the community rules rather than instance rules breaking, I would leave them alone. But as a result, they would regularly sit in my reports queue for a day or more, because they don’t go away until someone explicitly actions the report or closes it.

As an admin, I see all reports that cross the instance, and I have to ignore lots of them so that the community mods can deal with them and close them down, because if I close the report, the community mod might not ever see it.

My frustration with 196 is that having their reports hang around for a couple of days was a semi regular thing, which made admining more difficult, because there were always active reports in my notifications that I couldn’t close. I asked for them to put on blahaj based mods, or spin up blahaj alts, which they did, and that improved things, but because they were alts and the majority of the mods were still remote, the problem never entirely went away

tl;dr - This wasn’t a case of 196 mods not moderating. This was an issue with a lack of dedicated blahaj presence creating more workload for me.

Edit - As an aside, this issue also put a bigger spotlight on our moderation differences, because if a remote mod closed a remote report but left the post itself in place, the report on blahaj.zone would stay open, and I would have no idea if a community mod had looked at it. Which is to say, reports for content that didn’t break 196 rules, but did break blahahj.zone instance rules were more likely to come to my attention, because the report would hang around on blahah.zone for longer. And those removals are the ones that highlighted the difference in moderation values and expectations.

I intend to migrate to [email protected]

However, in my opinion it’s a shame it had to come to this.

Why do we have to have to move to one with a shitty name, if there’s enough support why couldn’t @[email protected] give us control of this one. That is where all the people and action are already. Why should we have to further fragment.

Thank you very much! I feel joy!

nice. I’m outta here