Not a criminal until a guilty verdict…
Guilty until proven innocent is nonsense. We are beyond that already.
Just a patsy
Using the term criminal is just demonizing a random guy.
The State and it’s officers are just illusionists. They can’t present evidence or be witnesses. Cuz they are unbelievable.
So far that is all they got. So when anyone uses the term criminal, i jump straight to innocent and civil suit
It’s also not a crime to eradicate a parasite.
I mean it’s a “crime” technically but that doesn’t mean we can’t nullify it!
Yes breaking the law is a “crime” but to be a criminal you need to have the verdict saying you committed it. Innocent until proven and all. A “not guilty” or null result means not a criminal.
Guilty’s meaning depends on whose the listener
That you present the set of possible states of guilty poorly aside, are assuming everyone shares your POV.
I can present your bullshit more clearly. So lets do that
For someone to be labeled a criminal they must have been convicted in a court of law by their peers and all avenues of appeals have been exhausted. This is the only situation where the word criminal can be used by anyone besides paid liers and illusionists.
No it’s a poor journalistic standard to cast guilt before trial. If some random person was saying it who cares. This is a large public facing news entity though.
They demonize perps every single day. To the point it’s comical. Finding an exception is rare.
Got to the point, where i refuse to believe anything the media or the State says. Anything. If they said the sky is blue i’d ask for the unittests (wouldn’t believe them)
They lost the narrative forever. Which is another way of saying they aren’t ruling by the Will of the people. Incapable of presenting themselves in a believable manner.
In terms of narrative, have to agree.
If Biden and Trump can decide the law does not apply to certain people, then so can you.
The law only applies where and when it is enforced.
Not a crime against society, so possibly not a crime.
The word, crime, is subjective. Much like the word, value.
Really what is wanted is play court and feel special.
I mean i agree ethically and morally. I was just commenting on NYT not understanding how laws work.
Except in texas
Lest we forget, “He needed killin’” was a successful defense against a murder charge in Texas, once upon a time.
Thank you!
Being neutral cute both ways, he is innocent until a jury of his peers decide to vote guilty.
Just hope he doesn’t sign a confession, there is plenty of resources for him to fight this.
Also, I think all people charged with a crime deserve this benefit or the doubt.
There’s that word again
What peers?
The rando software dev is a genius being extradited to a State full of boot lickers and sell outs.
His peers are minimally accomplished well known FOSS devs.
There should be a higher burden of evidence which includes reproducible unittests and his peers should be well acquainted with writing maintainable and sufficient test suites.
Then lets talk about peers and courts.
Tens of millions of lives ruined by “just good business” is the headline.
Stop worshipping profit or everything will get worse, even if there are no violent responses.
Everybody talking about anything else in this case is lying by omission.
The classic scapegoats aren’t there this time. Can’t blame him being the wrong race, wrong economic class, wrong mentally, wrong physically, or wrong sexually. Now people are actually looking at the issue that caused the “crime” and that’s not good to some people.
Pretty successful and well off kid, definitely not just someone desperate and broke they can tear apart, and he’s articulating his position against these fuckers. It’s really beautiful. A folk hero.
Luigi is deff what the media has fed society as “CHAD”
Not even begin ironic here tbh
Now the only explanation why Chad would do this is “he had bad back”
Alright… go on…
FDR was also part of the elite class and he had his own issues…
Hey NYT. Suck it.
They’re trying every angle they can think of to avoid admitting that people didn’t react negatively to this because literally everyone in the country has been negatively affected by people like that CEO.
I’ve seen multiple stories about the positive reactions.
If I believed in a deep state (which I categorically do not) NYT would be part of it.
I do, however, believe in giant media companies funded by the 1%, who have just lost one of their own to one of the plebs, staffed by management who will steer things in the needed direction. Any doubt I had of that has been destroyed by their coverage of Gaza.
people didn’t react negatively to this because literally everyone in the country has been negatively affected by people like that CEO.
Also outside the US country. I’m Brazilian, I’ve been following the news about this event, and I can’t help but notice there’s a hope inside me that this event could somehow result in CEOs all around the world (especially in the southern hemisphere) changing and ditching their greed. Well, of course it’s very unlikely to happen, maybe I have some tiny optimistic side buried under tons of massive pessimism of mine.
They won’t, they’ll tighten their security. Anyone who goes against the shareholders will be removed and replaced by somebody who will maximize profits at all costs.
Doesn’t mean there won’t be copycats who are successful. A whole lot of people have been wronged and the justice system doesn’t work.
I’ve been hoping it won’t be the last CEO to get deposed.
That’s what the NYT and others are afraid of. Copycats making this a trend and then the whole situation spiraling into French Revolutiom 2.0, or heavens forbid, October Revolution 2.0
changing and ditching their greed
No they won’t because while they of course are greedy, it’s not really greed which is fueling that on the systemic level, but the inherent capitalism mechanism to concentrate capital. Companies compete and that competition ultimately leads to either monopoly or formation of cartel, the ones with more profits are the winners and the losers get eliminated from the market.
What they will do, is to hire more bodyguards, isolate themselves from society even more and fund more propaganda like the article in topic.
The only thing that can change things, as proven historically, is not adventurism (however cool is to dish at least minuscule part of overdue justice) nor the spontaneous outrage, but the organized workers power threatening the capitalist class and their government servants.
I get you, but let us have hope for 5 minutes. It’s more than we’ve had in our whole lives.
Ok, you can have even 3 hours
In another sense: these CEOs are the people responsible for infiltrating other countries with the shitty US model of healthcare.
It won’t happen, best we can hope for is that it tempers the greed for a bit.
It would need to happen a few (dozen) more times to effect real change.
Frantically attempting to spin this in favour of predatory finance capitalism.
Not Antiwork for me, but a great post.
I can’t find a better community for this, sorry. I just want left leaning people to know what bullshit they’re pulling.
You could post it to US News, or the Socialism/Communism communities.
Thank you
Honestly i feel like most of lemmy is left-leaning at least from what i’ve seen
It is part of the class war… I would assume we can get some class solidarity here.
Anything to distract from the class war.
What? You don’t like handsome men?
When I look at him I enter my prison wife era.
That’s the fxxking legacy :)
Not only do I not get it, but I had to look up “prison wife”: not an imprisoned married woman but a woman whose spouse is imprisoned.
It’s also the man a man fucks while in prison.
NYT is as corpo as media can get. We must remember what side they are on. Journalism is dead.
The NYT is at least partly responsible for the Iraq war 2. Fuck them.
Wtf. Journalism is definitely not dead. We just need to stop linking to corporate news outlets.
Zateo, democracy now, the intercept, truth out, common dreams, etc. There’s loads of great media outlets out there…
Maybe we should just ban the corporate ones from this community? Or create a new community that only allows links to nonprofit news outlets?
Yeah. When people complain that the media is dead or that the narrative is controlled regardless of sources, they usually talk about the mainstream/corporate media. They don’t go their way to find alternative or “underground” sources shall we say.
Yeah I wouldn’t call any of these sites underground. If we dont know about them, blame Lemmy users and mods.
I mean, if you ask most people, they wouldn’t know what Democracy Now or Pro Public are unlike MSNBC, CNN or New York Times. These news outlets rarely get more coverage or mentions because it is by intention.
Again, if that’s the case then we have nobody to blame but ourselves. We’re on a link sharing site ffs. We post the links and we make the rules for which sites are allowed.
I do my part to report people who just post screenshots of articles and downvoting links to corporate news sites with pro-corporate narratives, but we all must do our part. And the mods need to do their job too.
I’m talking about in general. Doesn’t matter if it’s on Lemmy or Reddit, people don’t know about the news outlets you and I mentioned.
Law/justice is also dead, especially as folks stop believing in any piece of state evidence.
Two seconds later it could be you or me who are picked up and demonized for random stuff.
Truthfully this is my image state power. They make shiat up 100% of the time. So it’s not a question of is it true or not. It’s a question of how they are lying. Like a puzzle to be solved or exposed for the entertainment, but even that eventually grows old. Oh a cop MSM or a politician corpo said it … pfft!
Citizens don’t believe anything out of the State or Media. Obviously not a healthy situation when everyone is considered an actor.
Truthfully this is my image state power. They make shiat up 100% of the time.
Citizens don’t believe anything out of the State or Media.
This is not how most people view information from the state or media. There’s a much higher degree of skepticism than in the past, sure, but most people aren’t going to simply believe every cop (or especially every journalist) is lying 100% of the time.
I don’t think it does the left any favors to take this stance, either. It makes us look contrarian (because it is contrarian) rather than grounded in reality.
I was listening to the radio this morning and the dude was saying he’d rather have CEO shootings in the news than all the school shootings. It’s not dead, it’s just hard to find a pulse.
https://www.podbean.com/ep/pb-rfj2f-1765e1f
Here I was heavily paraphrasing.
NYT has always been pro-corporate.
Any place that names trump person of the year is a rag. Although the NYT has been such for quite a while anyways. I refuse to even give them click through a anymore.
Did they do that? Holy fuck.
Trump is person of the year for 2024, yes. He was previously named person of the year as well. Putin, Stalin, Kruschev, Reagan, Nixon, Kissinger, and Giuliani have all been named person of the year, most multiple times.
It’s a rather notorious group.
Uhhh, you do know that the New York Times and Time magazine are completely different things, right?
Honestly, I didn’t even catch that we were talking about NYT. I saw the parent comments about “person of the year”, and went with it.
NYT is garbage, too. I’ve had them filtered out of search results with browser extensions for years. I miss RES, which filtered them out of Reddit as well. I haven’t gotten around to figuring out block lists for Lemmy.
I’ve been pretty happy with Voyager’s filtering options.
I mean this is nothing new. Pretty white women have been treated favourably in court and by the public forever. There is a somewhat popular twitter account all about hot criminals. It’s a thing and it always has been.
cia media gonna cia
It’s NYT. If you can’t defend Thompson as being worth keeping alive, may as well play the woke race card and say we only like him because he’s an attractive white male.
Knowing our history, it’s still funny to me that I-talians are considered plain ol’ white now.
Whether or not Italians are white depends on what’s convenient to the people in power at the moment. Same goes for Jews
NYT is a very conservative newspaper, they are only “woke” in the very shallowest sense when convenient to them.
