• surph_ninja@lemmy.world
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    13 days ago

    You’re not exactly in a position to be pretending your anti-expansionist, while you’re defending NATO.

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      13 days ago

      NATO does not annex land. Russia does. I am not against willing countries joining their forces. I am against wars of conquest where one party subjugates the other or steals their land. Countries apply to join NATO, and many of those who want to join are not invited to join. Ukraine among them. What was the last time a country willingly joined Russia?

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          13 days ago

          So do I understand your point correctly, that what NATO has done is wrong, and therefore what Russia is doing is also wrong?

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              13 days ago

              Then we don’t disagree.

              Do we also agree that, as a hypothetical, even though both sides do things which are wrong, both sides can also sometimes do things which are good?

              And, again as a hypothetical, do we agree that one of these good things is helping a third country which is the victim to one of the wrongs of the other country?

              Such as the Soviet Union helping the Vietnamese fight off the Americans.

              Or America helping Ukraine fight off Russia.

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                13 days ago

                Nope. We don’t agree. The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi. Their existence does no good whatsoever.

                And the US isn’t “helping.” The US manufactured this proxy war, and they’re using Ukrainians as bullet fodder for their regional goals.

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                  13 days ago

                  If the US manufactured this war, why does Putin keep at it? Why does he keep playing into US hands? Isn’t continuing this war what the US wants from him?