• Buffalox@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    Unless there is specific evidence of the voting process itself being rigged, this sounds like a recipe for disaster.

    I disagree, if Russia has made massive manipulative propaganda based on lies, that needs to be addressed. An election should not be based on lies. Especially not outside propaganda.

    By that standard, the 2016 presidential election in USA was also based on much Russian propaganda, but the Americans didn’t have the balls to call it out directly.
    And now they have elected a fraudulent criminal for president. In my country, the parliament would without a doubt deem Trump unfit to serve.
    In this situation it is USA that is a dysfunctional democracy, and not Romania.

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      20 days ago

      So who gets to decide what was “outside propaganda” grave enough to not recognise an election result? Will this be a general criteria or just a convienent selectively enforced one?

      Because if this is a general criteria, next time Russia just needs to make propaganda for the strongest party and have the court annule the result and redo the election infinitely.

      If it is only selectively enforced, it is just undemocratic and a measure by the current rulers to abolish democracy. Think about people like Orban just claiming there was too much foreign propaganda for the opposition.

      Finally from a democratic theory point of view it doesnt work. Either every vote has the same value and you have a democracy. Or there is arbitrary decisions on whose vote is worthless because they were too dumb to fall for foreign propaganda, effectively removing the fairness and freedom of the vote.

      Also these measures dont address the route cause. If the propaganda can get people to elect someone it can get them to do other things, like revolting, sabotage, violent crime… You need to address the propaganda channels and psychological attack angles.

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        20 days ago

        So who gets to decide what was “outside propaganda”

        That’s a weird question, since Romania already demonstrated that, and it’s in the article. The top security council brought the evidence, and the top court made the judgement.
        So it wasn’t a single entity, but the combination of 2 of the highest security institution together with the highest court. That’s EXACTLY the way to do it.
        They did exactly what it’s their job to do, which blatantly failed in USA, where the courts are compromised too.
        I really hope that Romanian leading by example will become a model for the rest of Europe. AND that EU will begin to retaliate against Russia for undermining our democracies.