POS systems including tip requests really piss me off. We recently discovered a great local restaurant and we order food from them (and pick it up, to take home) a few times a month. They have one of those POS systems and it really irritates me to have to tap ‘No Tip’ in plain view of the cashier every time. We’re picking up food; I’m walking up to a counter, collecting a bag, swiping a credit card and leaving. Why the fuck would I tip for that? I don’t tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
It’s also a matter of trust … we’re handing off money to a restaurant that will pass on the amount to the employee or employees … who decides who gets it? do they share it? do just the waiters get it? does the owner get a cut? do the kitchen staff get some? is it shared equally? Do they add up everything at the end of the day? end of the week? end of a shift?
Some places are good and fair with distributing tips but some places aren’t and no one ever gets to know what any one does with the funds.
This happens a lot, often tips are stolen from immigrant workers by the restaurant. I was at an Indian place and the guy I was with knew our server. I already had my suspicions about the place so I just asked the guy if he gets his tips. He says the owner takes all tips.
He ended up standing with his back to me so I could put $10 in his hand. Fucking absurd.
In some restaurants the waiter or waitress gets to decide how much of their tips they’re going to share with their busser.
My first job was a bussing tables, and my first waitress was this old, mean, greedy woman who never shared her tips no matter how good you did.
It was my first job so I didn’t stand up for myself, but I had some older German tourists come in one day and the man basically made me take a huge tip because “you are working so hard!” Told me to keep it for myself. Thank you German couple! You helped me realize my worth and that job didn’t last the summer.
Me fucking either. I worked at a franchise of a huge pizza chain. After two years, I was general manager. I was in that position for six years. It was absolute hell. I was salary at the federal minimum of $36k a year. Commonly worked 60+ hour weeks. When I was off I was doing the scheduling and answering calls and texts all day from the employees and assistant managers.
We were a high volume store. Sometimes over 200 products an hour. 40 employees during the busy season. This job damaged my already poor mental health and put my alcoholism into overdrive. It was absolutely abusive.
I did learn a lot of people skills. I learned how to work under extreme pressure, although I wasn’t good at dealing with it at the time. My district manager would sometimes hire people and I could usually tell within five minutes if they were worth a shit or not. I was rarely surprised.
I participated in this abusive system through scheduling. Everyone but the delivery drivers and assistant managers made minimum wage or slightly above. It was $5.15 when I started and $7.25 when I left. If someone was good I would schedule them 30 or 35 hours. If I wanted someone gone I would schedule them two four hour shifts so they would quit. That way we didn’t have to pay overtime or unemployment.
Everything about it was abusive and sick. 20% of the customers were absolutely insane assholes. The assistant managers were lazy and constantly called off knowing I would have to cover. I wasted most of my 20s at this shithole.
Never again will I work food service. Never again will I manage a large team.
The costs of goods and overhead like employee wages should be included in the price. Raise your prices to what they apparently should be instead of begging your clientele to help give your employees a living wage out of the goodness of our hearts. Such a system only punishes the considerate by milking them of their cash (likely more than they wouldnif your prices were corrected) and rewards the assholes by artificially deflating their prices.
I worked in the kitchen of 2 restaurants in college and got no tips, only a low hourly wage. Also quit both jobs without giving a fuck because they sucked.
Sure, and theoretically that’s covered by the price that was listed on the menu. If it’s not, it’s the restaurant’s problem, not mine. Fuck that noise, seriously.
I’m supporting the restaurant by eating there, and paying menu prices for food. If they need me to pay more, they can raise their menu prices. I’m not going to guess how much things actually cost.
spot on. I’ve had enough of tipping. I have gone out to eat and anywhere i get service so much less this past year, but it has been worth it. I’ve saved money and sparked interesting conversations with people in my circle when I bring tipping up. this is a weird hill for me to die on, but I do not care anymore.
how about a discount from the restaurant because I was polite to my servers and was not a disruptive customer? no, because that doesnt make any sense lol
tipping has creeped its way into everything and has turned us against each other for a batshit insane concept that should have never been normalized.
if they want more money, charge more money. this guilt trip at the end of the bil they force upon me at the end of my meal is just so insane. they’re just asking me to give them more money for no reason, full stop.
Tips keep the system afloat. The reason there aren’t mass strikes demanding an end to tips is because the system works for most.
Sure, racial minorities are significantly discriminated against and many will receive hardly minimum wage with tips but the majority of tipped workers is fine with it. And that’s all that is required for an unjust system to persist.
Tipped workers are fine with it because they make more money with tips than they would on hourly wages. This is directly the fault of people feeling the need to tip egregious amounts. If people stopped tipping, or started tipping significantly worse, tipped workers would stop being okay with it really fast, and would demand an end to the system.
If I go sit down in a restaurant and get table service, I tip, but I do that once a year, maybe. If I get delivery, I tip the driver. But I will absolutely not tip if I go into a restaurant, pick up food at the counter, and walk out. Never.
I’m confused why you draw the line there but not in the first two examples. In all your examples, those people are doing their jobs that they should be getting paid adequately for already.
I don’t like being waited on; it makes me uncomfortable, even when it’s someone’s job to do it, and I alleviate that discomfort by tipping them for it. When I put myself in that situation I feel like I’m being lazy (“I could pick this up myself, but instead I’m having someone do it for me”), and it feels appropriate that I should pay more for the privilege of being lazy. The tip is my way of saying “Sorry you’re having to do this.” It’s silly, I know it is, but you asked, so there’s your answer.
Ah yes the solution to tips is boycotting my favorite restaurants, that will show them that I don’t want to tip!
“You have my favorite food and great service, but I would rather you just raise your prices and pay your staff more.”
Yep that’s what they would see from my boycott
The waitresses and waiters and everyone can’t survive without tips, so let’s just give them no business and no tips!
It’s the idea of the Applebee’s 10 dollar meal that’s actually 12 dollars. What business wouldn’t want to give their employees top dollar and have to advertise higher prices? It’s a win-win for the business. They aren’t going to change until forced or highly encouraged.
Getting rid of “Tip wages” would be the solution
No one should be required to rely on tips as income
It should be known no one is required to rely on tips as income
As a bartender, if someone is picking up a to go order it’s expected that they won’t tip.
Most places mark Togo orders such that the staff aren’t tipping out on them (for obvious reasons) so it shouldn’t make a difference to the worker that they didn’t get a tip on it.
If an owner is taking the tips owed to the employee that’s illegal. Most places have a tip share suggested policy. At my place the kitchen gets 10% of food sales as a tip… Typically whether or not the customer has chosen to actually tip.
POS systems including tip requests really piss me off. We recently discovered a great local restaurant and we order food from them (and pick it up, to take home) a few times a month. They have one of those POS systems and it really irritates me to have to tap ‘No Tip’ in plain view of the cashier every time. We’re picking up food; I’m walking up to a counter, collecting a bag, swiping a credit card and leaving. Why the fuck would I tip for that? I don’t tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
You will soon!
Because many restaurants split tips with the back end, and, well, somebody made the food.
Restaurants need to pay their staff a living wage instead of expecting patrons to subsidize the owners’ greed.
It’s also a matter of trust … we’re handing off money to a restaurant that will pass on the amount to the employee or employees … who decides who gets it? do they share it? do just the waiters get it? does the owner get a cut? do the kitchen staff get some? is it shared equally? Do they add up everything at the end of the day? end of the week? end of a shift?
Some places are good and fair with distributing tips but some places aren’t and no one ever gets to know what any one does with the funds.
This happens a lot, often tips are stolen from immigrant workers by the restaurant. I was at an Indian place and the guy I was with knew our server. I already had my suspicions about the place so I just asked the guy if he gets his tips. He says the owner takes all tips.
He ended up standing with his back to me so I could put $10 in his hand. Fucking absurd.
In some restaurants the waiter or waitress gets to decide how much of their tips they’re going to share with their busser.
My first job was a bussing tables, and my first waitress was this old, mean, greedy woman who never shared her tips no matter how good you did.
It was my first job so I didn’t stand up for myself, but I had some older German tourists come in one day and the man basically made me take a huge tip because “you are working so hard!” Told me to keep it for myself. Thank you German couple! You helped me realize my worth and that job didn’t last the summer.
I’ll never work in food service again.
Me fucking either. I worked at a franchise of a huge pizza chain. After two years, I was general manager. I was in that position for six years. It was absolute hell. I was salary at the federal minimum of $36k a year. Commonly worked 60+ hour weeks. When I was off I was doing the scheduling and answering calls and texts all day from the employees and assistant managers.
We were a high volume store. Sometimes over 200 products an hour. 40 employees during the busy season. This job damaged my already poor mental health and put my alcoholism into overdrive. It was absolutely abusive.
I did learn a lot of people skills. I learned how to work under extreme pressure, although I wasn’t good at dealing with it at the time. My district manager would sometimes hire people and I could usually tell within five minutes if they were worth a shit or not. I was rarely surprised.
I participated in this abusive system through scheduling. Everyone but the delivery drivers and assistant managers made minimum wage or slightly above. It was $5.15 when I started and $7.25 when I left. If someone was good I would schedule them 30 or 35 hours. If I wanted someone gone I would schedule them two four hour shifts so they would quit. That way we didn’t have to pay overtime or unemployment.
Everything about it was abusive and sick. 20% of the customers were absolutely insane assholes. The assistant managers were lazy and constantly called off knowing I would have to cover. I wasted most of my 20s at this shithole.
Never again will I work food service. Never again will I manage a large team.
The costs of goods and overhead like employee wages should be included in the price. Raise your prices to what they apparently should be instead of begging your clientele to help give your employees a living wage out of the goodness of our hearts. Such a system only punishes the considerate by milking them of their cash (likely more than they wouldnif your prices were corrected) and rewards the assholes by artificially deflating their prices.
Where do you imagine the rest of the money from the receipt goes?
To the owners. Do… do you not know how private businesses operate?
That’s it, you sure got me, I don’t know how businesses operate. Do you?
I worked at many restaurants when I was in college and only one of those many split tips. It’s far from a universal rule.
I worked in the kitchen of 2 restaurants in college and got no tips, only a low hourly wage. Also quit both jobs without giving a fuck because they sucked.
Sure, and theoretically that’s covered by the price that was listed on the menu. If it’s not, it’s the restaurant’s problem, not mine. Fuck that noise, seriously.
But you’re supporting the restaurant. You’re keeping the system afloat.
I’m supporting the restaurant by eating there, and paying menu prices for food. If they need me to pay more, they can raise their menu prices. I’m not going to guess how much things actually cost.
spot on. I’ve had enough of tipping. I have gone out to eat and anywhere i get service so much less this past year, but it has been worth it. I’ve saved money and sparked interesting conversations with people in my circle when I bring tipping up. this is a weird hill for me to die on, but I do not care anymore.
how about a discount from the restaurant because I was polite to my servers and was not a disruptive customer? no, because that doesnt make any sense lol
tipping has creeped its way into everything and has turned us against each other for a batshit insane concept that should have never been normalized.
if they want more money, charge more money. this guilt trip at the end of the bil they force upon me at the end of my meal is just so insane. they’re just asking me to give them more money for no reason, full stop.
Tips keep the system afloat. The reason there aren’t mass strikes demanding an end to tips is because the system works for most.
Sure, racial minorities are significantly discriminated against and many will receive hardly minimum wage with tips but the majority of tipped workers is fine with it. And that’s all that is required for an unjust system to persist.
Tipped workers are fine with it because they make more money with tips than they would on hourly wages. This is directly the fault of people feeling the need to tip egregious amounts. If people stopped tipping, or started tipping significantly worse, tipped workers would stop being okay with it really fast, and would demand an end to the system.
If I go sit down in a restaurant and get table service, I tip, but I do that once a year, maybe. If I get delivery, I tip the driver. But I will absolutely not tip if I go into a restaurant, pick up food at the counter, and walk out. Never.
I’m confused why you draw the line there but not in the first two examples. In all your examples, those people are doing their jobs that they should be getting paid adequately for already.
I don’t like being waited on; it makes me uncomfortable, even when it’s someone’s job to do it, and I alleviate that discomfort by tipping them for it. When I put myself in that situation I feel like I’m being lazy (“I could pick this up myself, but instead I’m having someone do it for me”), and it feels appropriate that I should pay more for the privilege of being lazy. The tip is my way of saying “Sorry you’re having to do this.” It’s silly, I know it is, but you asked, so there’s your answer.
By the logic, i should pay tip for every item i buy, it is produced by somebody in a factory somewhere.
Or you should stop visiting restaurants that ask for tips entirely.
It’s not like the waiter is doing the majority of the work for your meal when you sit down.
Ah yes the solution to tips is boycotting my favorite restaurants, that will show them that I don’t want to tip!
“You have my favorite food and great service, but I would rather you just raise your prices and pay your staff more.”
Yep that’s what they would see from my boycott
The waitresses and waiters and everyone can’t survive without tips, so let’s just give them no business and no tips!
It’s the idea of the Applebee’s 10 dollar meal that’s actually 12 dollars. What business wouldn’t want to give their employees top dollar and have to advertise higher prices? It’s a win-win for the business. They aren’t going to change until forced or highly encouraged.
Getting rid of “Tip wages” would be the solution
No one should be required to rely on tips as income
It should be known no one is required to rely on tips as income
Then we can all stop with the tips
I’ve only ever found one restaurant that does not take tips.
As a bartender, if someone is picking up a to go order it’s expected that they won’t tip.
Most places mark Togo orders such that the staff aren’t tipping out on them (for obvious reasons) so it shouldn’t make a difference to the worker that they didn’t get a tip on it.
Who gets the tip of they do? Back of house or owners?
If an owner is taking the tips owed to the employee that’s illegal. Most places have a tip share suggested policy. At my place the kitchen gets 10% of food sales as a tip… Typically whether or not the customer has chosen to actually tip.
In the UK you’re legally supposed to split it among the staff rather than the owner.
Whether that actually happens or not is anyone’s guess.