I asked someone which third party candidate they think I should vote for in a thread where they were saying third party is the only anti-genocide vote. Six hours later and I still don’t have an answer. It’s so disingenuous.
I’ll answer for them. Anyone pushing the view points on the matters you desire. A vote for third party is better than not voting at all, as people will just lump you in with people who can’t be bothered to vote otherwise.
That said what matters most is the down ballot. Look up the candidate that most align with your views and vote for them.
Here in Missouri we have an abortion ban and a $15 minimum wage on the ballot, so no matter who you support, your vote makes a huge difference in this election.
At the federal level, none of us have any power, because you get presented with two flavors of the same choice, both of whom have been installed by the 0.01% and will actively work against the interests of the poor and working class; However, in your town, city, and county, you do have tremendous power for change.
Well first we need an overwhelming blue wave so the GOP in its current form collapses. Then, as they shift back towards the center, the more progressive part of the Democrats have a better shot at winning. With these razor sharp margins, it will be a race to the center for Democrats as the GOP goes all in with crazy.
Well first we need an overwhelming blue wave so the GOP in its current form collapses.
I don’t know where you’ve been for the last 40 years, but the Democrats are not a progressive party. Look at all of the things that happened when Biden had power that they did nothing meaningful to stop: Roe repeal, cop cities, 2+ trillion for war, child genocide in Israel, rent/grocery/energy bills skyrocketing.
You have to ask me to ignore the daily realities of my life under Joe Biden in order for me to honestly assume Kamala or Trump will do anything meaningful to help people.
You’re either arguing in bad faith, or have no idea how the government works. I said the democrats need a blue wave since they haven’t controlled the presidency, and both houses of Congress for more than a couple months over the past decade. What did you expect Biden to do when you have a Republican controlled House and such a thin margin in the Senate?
I mean it’s a genocide, not a war. And Harris absolutely has not said she would cease arming Isreal, she is less outspoken than Biden but there is no indication she would end anything.
But Trump gave gift after gift to Isareal the first time and has said he would send more armaments. He without question would make things worse so Harris is the only sane ethical choice.
I agree it’s a simple choice but we need to be realistic that Harris isn’t some peace panacea.
Outside America, many of us really wish you guys would just stop and consider the importance of your election beyond this single issue of the Middle East. Seriously. There’s only so much the USA can do about that, anyway.
Much, much more important is the signal you would send by re-electing an obvious wannabe dictator who has already tried to steal an election. Like it or not, for two centuries America has been the world’s model for openness, democracy, freedom. In the last decade those things have taken a serious hit around the world, and the connection is obvious with Trump’s first election. Democracy and its associated blessings - rule of law, unpoliticized civil service and institutions, press freedom etc - are really fragile. If America gives up on them it’s permission for everyone else to do so, and that’s going to lead the world to some very bad places. The Gaza issue is a complete sideshow by comparison.
They’re using the same playbook the FBI used to split leftists and prevent successful rallying around community leaders in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It’s time tested and it works.
What split the leftists was that time when the Democrats used superdelegates to rig the primary against Bernie Sanders. Nothing kills the Democratic vote more than telling democrats their vote is useless in historic fashion, and in fact, he’s the last candidate Democrats had that could actually connect with people in a tangible way.
I’ve seen this phrase thrown around a lot this year, which is funny to me, because the ruling parties spent most of this election season stage managing campaign appearances for men who are obviously cognitively impaired.
I would say, whichever one is polling highest, who has signaled support in any way for the issue. Other things about them don’t matter because they aren’t going to win anyway. In this case a lot of third party votes for a single candidate are probably better than the same number of votes spread across different candidates because it looks more like an organized voting block to politicians looking at the numbers in retrospect, who are the reason to vote at all if you are voting third party, you are trying to communicate via those numbers about how your vote can be obtained or lost.
I asked someone which third party candidate they think I should vote for in a thread where they were saying third party is the only anti-genocide vote. Six hours later and I still don’t have an answer. It’s so disingenuous.
I’ll answer for them. Anyone pushing the view points on the matters you desire. A vote for third party is better than not voting at all, as people will just lump you in with people who can’t be bothered to vote otherwise.
That said what matters most is the down ballot. Look up the candidate that most align with your views and vote for them.
100%.
Here in Missouri we have an abortion ban and a $15 minimum wage on the ballot, so no matter who you support, your vote makes a huge difference in this election.
At the federal level, none of us have any power, because you get presented with two flavors of the same choice, both of whom have been installed by the 0.01% and will actively work against the interests of the poor and working class; However, in your town, city, and county, you do have tremendous power for change.
Are you really using the “BoTh SiDeS” line? Absolute bullshit.
Are you really ignoring that, no matter who we elect, we get conservative politics?
Well first we need an overwhelming blue wave so the GOP in its current form collapses. Then, as they shift back towards the center, the more progressive part of the Democrats have a better shot at winning. With these razor sharp margins, it will be a race to the center for Democrats as the GOP goes all in with crazy.
I don’t know where you’ve been for the last 40 years, but the Democrats are not a progressive party. Look at all of the things that happened when Biden had power that they did nothing meaningful to stop: Roe repeal, cop cities, 2+ trillion for war, child genocide in Israel, rent/grocery/energy bills skyrocketing.
You have to ask me to ignore the daily realities of my life under Joe Biden in order for me to honestly assume Kamala or Trump will do anything meaningful to help people.
You’re either arguing in bad faith, or have no idea how the government works. I said the democrats need a blue wave since they haven’t controlled the presidency, and both houses of Congress for more than a couple months over the past decade. What did you expect Biden to do when you have a Republican controlled House and such a thin margin in the Senate?
Straight-line Democrat it is, then!
If you want to end the war in Gaza, vote Harris.
If you want to accelerate it until everyone is dead and the war ends faster, vote Trump, 3rd party, or abstain.
It’s really that simple.
I mean it’s a genocide, not a war. And Harris absolutely has not said she would cease arming Isreal, she is less outspoken than Biden but there is no indication she would end anything.
But Trump gave gift after gift to Isareal the first time and has said he would send more armaments. He without question would make things worse so Harris is the only sane ethical choice.
I agree it’s a simple choice but we need to be realistic that Harris isn’t some peace panacea.
Outside America, many of us really wish you guys would just stop and consider the importance of your election beyond this single issue of the Middle East. Seriously. There’s only so much the USA can do about that, anyway.
Much, much more important is the signal you would send by re-electing an obvious wannabe dictator who has already tried to steal an election. Like it or not, for two centuries America has been the world’s model for openness, democracy, freedom. In the last decade those things have taken a serious hit around the world, and the connection is obvious with Trump’s first election. Democracy and its associated blessings - rule of law, unpoliticized civil service and institutions, press freedom etc - are really fragile. If America gives up on them it’s permission for everyone else to do so, and that’s going to lead the world to some very bad places. The Gaza issue is a complete sideshow by comparison.
They’re using the same playbook the FBI used to split leftists and prevent successful rallying around community leaders in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It’s time tested and it works.
What split the leftists was that time when the Democrats used superdelegates to rig the primary against Bernie Sanders. Nothing kills the Democratic vote more than telling democrats their vote is useless in historic fashion, and in fact, he’s the last candidate Democrats had that could actually connect with people in a tangible way.
There is no viable condidate.
If you are doing a protest vote, write in george carlin.
I’ve seen this phrase thrown around a lot this year, which is funny to me, because the ruling parties spent most of this election season stage managing campaign appearances for men who are obviously cognitively impaired.
I would say, whichever one is polling highest, who has signaled support in any way for the issue. Other things about them don’t matter because they aren’t going to win anyway. In this case a lot of third party votes for a single candidate are probably better than the same number of votes spread across different candidates because it looks more like an organized voting block to politicians looking at the numbers in retrospect, who are the reason to vote at all if you are voting third party, you are trying to communicate via those numbers about how your vote can be obtained or lost.
I’ll tell you.
Jill Stein. If she’s not on the ballot in your state, write her in. She’s the candidate of the Green Party.
It takes minimal effort to look up the 3rd party candidates in a presidential election.