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Canada’s parliament has passed a bill that that will cover the full cost of contraception and diabetes drugs for Canadians.
The Liberal government said it is the initial phase of a plan that would expand to become a publicly funded national pharmacare programme.
But two provinces - Alberta and Quebec - have indicated they may opt-out of the programme, accusing Ottawa of interfering in provincial matters.
Opposition Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre, whose party is ahead in national polls by a wide margin, does not support the legislation.
Sorry, you had me laughing at 1700 a year being expensive. And do you have any idea what it would cost to determine if someone was sufficient to meet your standards? 1700 per person per year would be on the low end. Now, what about smokers, drinkers, recreational drug users, people who eat too much, people who drive too fast, people who use recreational motor vehicles, the list goes on forever. Accept the fact the people are going to do things that negatively impact their health in ways that you don’t, and vice versa, and wading through the list to see who’s sufficiently worthy to receive care will cost more than caring for them, and will add yet another burden to the group of people caring for those patients.
Again, lifestyle related illnesses should be treated through patient education, not prolonged with taxpayer funded “treatment”.
Everyone should have access to doctors, but we’re not talking about unlimited resources, and some patients should be sent home with a “reverse your disease in 60 days” guide, rather than “here’s a prescription to continue your curable disease for the next 40 years.”
Actually reversing someone’s disease, rather than prolonged management, would save our healthcare system billions a year.
Wouldn’t we all be better off with common sense healthcare, rather than kneejerk sickcare?
So, have you been to a doctor? When you walk in with high blood pressure, do you think they don’t mention reducing your weight, sodium, and cholesterol? Some people follow that advice, some don’t. Some don’t know how to achieve that.
A lot of the things you talk about already happen, at the most superficial level. It isn’t working. But, much like drug addiction, people would rather vilify those who are so weak as to succumb to addiction (or overeating) rather than providing the resources to help them beyond a handy little pamphlet telling them everything they already know.
But that isn’t what you started with advocating. Rather than advocating better resources to help people deal with the causes, you promoted the idea of removing help treating their symptoms if they didn’t meet your criteria of trying enough to fix the underlying causes, of what I imagine are your personal pet peeves.
Look, we have to prioritize treatment, since our healthcare system is extremely stretched at the moment.
We are paying for a lot of lifestyle related illnesses to continue without any patient effort to correct it.
Most don’t, which is a problem when you have people who need care through no fault of their own.
Obesity is Canada is something like 1/3. We’re talking about increases in just about every health problem under the sun.
Now, we can continue as we are, prolonging poor health and managing the results of poor lifestyle.
Or, we can find ways to motivate patients to get better without expensive and ongoing treatments.
Will this work for everyone? No, because not every health problem is lifestyle related. But enough of it is, and we can unburden our doctors by putting responsibility back into patient’s hands.
We would benefit far more as a county if money was spent on ways to prevent and reverse illness, even if that means giving away free bikes and produce.
Keeping people sick is cruel and benefits only pharmaceutical companies.
I’m going to say this real slow one last time. Then promote funding for helping people to change their lifestyle rather than removing healthcare. Another wildly inconceivable idea is to add funding to healthcare, rather than cut it every year. Yes, taxes may have to increase, yes, people will call that socialism, and yes, quality of life will go up for most people, without even requiring those you find morally reprehensible to die sooner than necessary.
Literally what I’ve been saying. We both agree.
We agree here, too.
But without unlimited funds, you’ll need to allocate where the money goes.
Do you want it to go towards paying for medication for otherwise reversible illnesses, or to fight childhood cancer?
Do you want to use that money treating smoking-related illnesses, or dementia?
Do you want doctors treating unvaccinated adults, or helping someone with an autoimmune disorder?
It’s not always an easy call, since everyone has a right to healthcare. But give voters the opportunity to decide where funding goes, and I’m sure that it won’t be a 50/50 split.
I never mentioned denying healthcare to child rapists, but ok.
If you’re talking about regular sick people, I don’t want anyone to suffer longer than they need to. That includes being on a lifetime of medicine that’s not solving their underlying issues, rather than giving them the power to get healthy.
I’ll say this slowly: Keeping people sick when better solutions exist is cruel and completely unnecessary.
Make it a referendum, but everyone who is engaging in an activity that risks their health has to vote against removing treatment for lifestyle diseases, and you’ll be at 80% before the ballots are printed. Most people think their poor lifestyle choices aren’t that big of a problem, just everyone else’s.
That’s the wrong way of looking at it.
“Risks their health” could be their job.
If someone has a curable/reversable illness, then we have to focus on getting them there. Not expensive, prolonged treatments that keep them sick.
So what’s your plan to get people to exercise 150 minutes per week in the current adult generation? This would reasonably cost almost nothing and dramatically reduces your risk for diabetes, yet, 60% of Canadians are overweight or obese. I don’t imagine reducing their access to medical services is going to change that, besides making them die faster, yet that’s what you first proposed.
And as you said, and as I was trying to point out, there are a lot of health risks, and many of them are entirely within their power to change.