What makes anti China propaganda so effective is that people want to believe it.
Believing that western system is fundamentally better allows justifying all the horrors we see day to day by saying that the alternatives are even worse, and so we shouldn't even try to change anything.
Accepting that China managed to find a better path that the west is actively fighting against means having to accept that the west is on the wrong side of history. That's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people.
Yeah, it’s weird that people prefer democracy to dictatorship. Freedom of speech is pretty important too.
I have a lot of issues with capitalism, but that doesn’t mean I’m ready to give up on democracy as a whole. And China has just about as many of those capitalism problems as we do.
And China has just about as many of those capitalism problems as we do.
Do you really think China has all of the same capitalism problems?
China doesn’t have:
a rampant and actively ignored homeless problem
widespread food insecurity, including among children
a disgustingly large and widening wealth gap, with the government bribery that comes with it
inaccessible or unaffordable healthcare for a large portion of its population, especially those most needing of it
reversal of child labor laws and increasing promotion of its use
destruction of the education system and villifying those seeking to escape generational poverty
a massive and increasing renting population (compared to those with outright ownership), spending an increasingly large fraction of their constantly decreasing wages on housing
an incarceration rate nearly five times average developed nations driven largely by for-profit prisons and slave labor performed by the imprisoned
Does China have problems related to capitalism’s influence? Of course. Does it have as many, or do they permeate it so deeply and thoroughly? Of course not.
As soon as someone says “China’s capitalist too” it’s a sign that they are sorely lacking information on how Chinese system actually functions and it makes me wonder if they’ve even bothered trying to learn about it at all. The comparison is ludicrous at this point.
Good luck changing anything in this world in bourgeois democracy if you’re not wealthy and influential… It’s a dictatorship of capitalist class, not more nor less.
World you participate in a mild, painless experiment? Would you carefully read Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and then come back here with an honest review? You don’t even have to agree with him. All I ask for is a fair treatment.
When asked whether they believe their country is democratic, those in China topped the list, with some 83% saying the communist-led People’s Republic was a democracy. A resounding 91% said that democracy is important to them.
But in the U.S., which touts itself as a global beacon of democracy, only 49% of those asked said their country was a democracy. And just over three-quarters of respondents, 76%, said democracy was important.
For instance, some 63% in the U.S. said their government mainly serves the interests of a minority, while only 7% said the same in China. Asked about whether their country held free and fair elections and offered all citizens the right to free speech, nearly a third of respondents in the U.S., 32% and 31%, respectively, said they did not, while just 17% and 5%, respectively, in China answered the same questions negatively.
And in China, a mere 5% also said not everyone enjoys equal rights in their country, as opposed to 42% who identified this same issue in the U.S.
Yeah, but the sign of a healthy democracy isn’t how much the people feel like their voices are being heard, it’s entirely dependent on how much people are allowed to complain about things! (But not actually change them of course, let’s not go crazy here).
Where did you get the notion that it’s a dictatorship?
Did it ever cross your mind how the world’s largest population has agreed to live in a dictatorship? Same is the case with DPRK.
Did you ever asked yourself how is this possible in 2023 that no news ever comes out about people’s revolt in these countries ever when even one of their leader’s haircut becomes a news.
China does not have parliamentary democracy doesn’t mean it doesn’t have democracy instead it’s more democratic then the western lib dems.
If you never has had a chance to have an alternate view, you are welcome to lurk and learn. We have all been there where you are now. Probably one day you too would see the world for what it really is instead of what its shown to be.
Yeah, it’s weird that people prefer democracy to dictatorship. Freedom of speech is pretty important too.
I have a lot of issues with capitalism, but that doesn’t mean I’m ready to give up on democracy as a whole. And China has just about as many of those capitalism problems as we do.
Do you really think China has all of the same capitalism problems?
China doesn’t have:
Does China have problems related to capitalism’s influence? Of course. Does it have as many, or do they permeate it so deeply and thoroughly? Of course not.
As soon as someone says “China’s capitalist too” it’s a sign that they are sorely lacking information on how Chinese system actually functions and it makes me wonder if they’ve even bothered trying to learn about it at all. The comparison is ludicrous at this point.
“but muh freeze peach!”
Good luck changing anything in this world in bourgeois democracy if you’re not wealthy and influential… It’s a dictatorship of capitalist class, not more nor less.
World you participate in a mild, painless experiment? Would you carefully read Roland Boer’s Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and then come back here with an honest review? You don’t even have to agree with him. All I ask for is a fair treatment.
And what exactly is the definition of democracy are you basing that of?
https://www.newsweek.com/most-china-call-their-nation-democracy-most-us-say-america-isnt-1711176
For the complete data here’s the spreadsheet of the “Democracy Perception Index 2022 - Topline Results”.
Yeah, but the sign of a healthy democracy isn’t how much the people feel like their voices are being heard, it’s entirely dependent on how much people are allowed to complain about things! (But not actually change them of course, let’s not go crazy here).
Dictatorship… of the proletariats!
Where did you get the notion that it’s a dictatorship? Did it ever cross your mind how the world’s largest population has agreed to live in a dictatorship? Same is the case with DPRK.
Did you ever asked yourself how is this possible in 2023 that no news ever comes out about people’s revolt in these countries ever when even one of their leader’s haircut becomes a news.
China does not have parliamentary democracy doesn’t mean it doesn’t have democracy instead it’s more democratic then the western lib dems.
If you never has had a chance to have an alternate view, you are welcome to lurk and learn. We have all been there where you are now. Probably one day you too would see the world for what it really is instead of what its shown to be.