More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful

  • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    The good news is that almost universally, women vote in greater numbers than me. So on average its still breaking to the left.

  • acargitz@lemmy.ca
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    8 months ago

    It’s weird that the axes of where “centre” is remain stable over time. Can you imagine comparing “left vs right” between the 1890s and the 1920s? Like a bunch of stuff happened in between, history happened, and that tends to redefine left, right and centre.

  • Fontasia@feddit.nl
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    8 months ago

    Hey look if you start taking away white male privilege they freak out when they find out people of other races, genders and creeds are better than them, who knew?

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        8 months ago

        Older men are generally already in a position of benefit, locked in a system where they cannot be taken down from their position of power. Reforms are coming at the beginning of the chain (entrance to university, internships and early job opportunities). Young men in families where their father/grandfather were in systems that benefited them - and also nepotism - have the understanding they will need to do very little to succeed. They have not put the effort in because they were told they would not have to compete.

        Have a look at old laws for where you live in the world. Find out whether your mother or grandmother actually had the opportunity for higher education, or even whether she could get/keep a job after she had children and then form your own conclusions from there.

      • kautau@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Do shitty things for years in the pressure cooker until the pressure reaches it’s peak, get an explosive reaction.

        • GarbageShootAlt2@lemmy.ml
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          8 months ago

          There’s nothing about men in Korea being sexist that makes it worth supporting people who maliciously spread racial stereotypes or TERFism.

    • ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net
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      8 months ago

      In my city, there’s a Korean community and from my friend who is a teacher, those girls who left Korea hate Korean dudes and want to hook up with Americans.

      I don’t understand anything about Korean culture or k-pop.

      But after reading about 4B, this is starting to make sense.

    • Hydra_Fk@reddthat.com
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      8 months ago

      Lol yeah woman were much safer, better educated, and financially independent historically. /S

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        8 months ago

        That’s a different argument - yes, things were worse in the past than they are now. That doesn’t mean that things won’t get worse than they are now in the future.

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              8 months ago

              Looks at past. Looks at future, well shit climate change is going to savage human life on earth. Checks notes woman are human. Shit bros your right I fear for womans futures too!

      • Cypher@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Current trends will definitely continue and there has never been large sociopolitical upheavals in the past, and there definitely won’t be any in the future.

      • Cypher@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Current trends will definitely continue and there has never been large sociopolitical upheavals in the past, and there definitely won’t be any in the future.

  • LordGimp@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    Why does everything appear to appear at +15 across the board just before 1990?

  • ntm@awful.systems
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    8 months ago

    How does it start with women being more conservative than men in Germany and the US?

  • Wahots@pawb.social
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    8 months ago

    What’s the source? I wanna learn about the weird unexpected drops in some countries.

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      8 months ago

      For anyone else also interested, I went and had a look at the links Dessalines kindly provided.

      The source on the graphs says “Sources: Daniel Cox, Survey Center on American Life; Gallup Poll Social Series; FT analysis of General Social Surveys of Korea, Germany & US and the British Election Study. US data is respondent’s stated ideology. Other countries show support for liberal and conservative parties All figures are adjusted for time trend in the overall population.” Where FT is financial times.

      It’s not clear how the words “liberal” and “conservative” were chosen, whether they’re intended to mean “socially progressive” and “socially traditional” or have other connotations bound with the political parties too, and whether the original data chose those descriptions or if they’re FT’s inference as being “close enough” for an American audience.

      Unfortunately the FT data site is refusing to let me look at them without “legitimate interest” advertising cookies so I can’t tell you much more or if there’s any detail on methodology.

    • ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io
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      8 months ago

      A better voting system than First Past The Post is proven to create less of a divide between parties and supports either new parties forming, making existing parties more likely to work together on bi-partisan goals, as well as bringing existing parties more towards the center.

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        8 months ago

        So how does corporate oligarchy and unlimited dark money from corporate pacs fit into all this?

        Cable news never really mentions campaign contributions so I guess it’s not newsworthy.

        Nevermind

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      8 months ago

      I wonder if progressive/conservative is what the charts are getting at. Heck, I wonder if we could even put it in terms of Welzel’s Democratic/protection values.

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    8 months ago

    The important thing here is to know how did they measure young people’s political ideologies. I wouldn’t expect it was self-perceived as currently, people has a hard time admitting they are conservative compared to admitting they sympathize with a conservative party.

    If it was determined by a questionnaire, it would be interesting to see what questions were included. Maybe the questions weren’t well planned and that’s it. Maybe they equalled feminist takes to progressive liberal ones, which is something that can be discussed. In this case, I would be picky about the origin of the graphics.