Well why don’t you fucking volunteer to go Ukraine then if its so important.

I’ll tend your wounds when you’re home sweetie

I’d rather be nuked than join the military

The Uk is between a rock and hard place geopolitically. It seems that joining the eu is political suicide but aligning economically with the Usa means selling off the nhs.

I guess the best we can hope for is going our own way and hoping for some economic miracle . Maybe we’ll discover some more north sea oil…

Yes i also did gcse history and learnt about Chamberlain

Perhaps we could avoid war instead by making Russia a geopolitical ally rather than continually making them an enemy? Its not like we have any trouble making strategic alliances with other disreputable states.

No this chat by starmer is sabre rattling stupidity , what i dont fully understand is why they do it. The USA will be taking all the spoils from this war.

Any evidence for this?

Right i see why you think that, its a very seductive argument. We are in the right, we protect the weak, therefore what could possibly be bad about our presence?

However, thats not how real politics works. Russia will undoubtedly see this as a threat and it will escalate the war further. It doesn’t matter if they are correct to view us as such, but they will.

Unless Russia agrees to some unilateral peacekeeping arrangements as part of a peace deal, which seems unlikely, then why should we poke the beast?

There is also the fact that peacekeeping is not our forte, remember iraq, Afghanistan? Do you really think that pro-russian militias won’t retaliate? It doesn’t matter that we are in the right, our presence will not lead to peace.

I think Einstein said you can’t simultaneously prevent and prepare for war. Its time to choose which you want.

Regarding your Palestine comment, its just a completely different situation. Im not sure its comparable. Peacekeeping forces might be part of a settlement reached by hamas and Israel but it would have to be acceptable to both parties otherwise it leads to more violence.

Well yes you’ve discovered the problem of means testing any benefit. Its much better in general just to give everyone the option instead of farting about with the admin of deciding who is eligible.

So in order to get peace you want to escalate the war?

There is no sense in this argument. When has increasing the presence of troops ever led to fruitful peace talks?

From their perspective it just looks like we’re about to invade Russia for a regime change

“The additional appointments were delivered in part by extra evening and weekend working, the government said.”

This is very sensible and sustainable. Although i recognise that it’s not possible to train more staff in time to get through the backlog , there’s no indication that enough staff will be trained or maintained (many trusts have hiring freezes, no decent pay rises).

This target has been met sure but where is the plan to stop it happening again?

Thank god they dont appease MBS or Netanyahu!

British troops in Ukraine would absolutely be unacceptable to any peace agreement that Russia is likely to sign so whats the point of making all this noise.

Labour are only partly funded by unions, and they by no means dictate policies. If unions dictated policies then we wouldn’t have this wishy washy workers bill and they would remove the anti-union laws.

I agree they do side with donation givers, which is why they are a bunch of private healthcare Zionist dweebs.

What you are asking for it sounds like is stronger party democracy which i couldn’t support more. However, the unions are central to any labour movement so it makes sense they are at the center of the party. Labour members do still vote on all policies technically but Starmer has centralised the process further so that the leader has complete control. Its also very expensive to send delegates to conference (in order to vote).

Ok ive edited because i think i see what you’re trying to say.

You think that alignment with unions is antithetical to socially liberal values (such as lgbt) ?

Fine the renters bill is mildly good, but its a long way off whats necessary to solve the housing crisis and has been continually watered down.

We have some of the worst tenants rights in Europe and the oldest housing stock. A small improvement like that still makes us look barbaric in comparison.

Also lol at the council rough sleepers budget - you know many councils are about to go bankrupt and labour are doing nothing about that?

The reason no one talks about them is they are ultimately piddly amounts of money. And how much of it is just getting funneled into the private sector as management consultants fees?

I find it difficult to understand how you believe Labour represents the interests of workers in any meaningful sense.

Labour is primarily a liberal party, and has been for many years. The union of liberals and socialists broke down in the 80s.

The problem with this analysis is that it assumes Labour aren’t just as racist as reform. They both are racist, neither actually want to stop immigrants. Both require migrants for cheap labour to keep the gravy coming. They represent different factions of capital.

Labour appealing to the right wing talking points isnt some cynical ploy to maintain power - its just what they think. No one who actually cares about immigrants would pander to those talking points.

Frances Ryan is probably one of the best and most consistent writers the Guardian has.

Its interesting how all the starmer fans have gone quiet in the comments. Even they are starting to realise how they’ve been duped by red tie wearing tories.