• geekwithsoul@lemm.ee
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    1 month ago

    Cool headline, but ultimately just another call to have people throw their votes to a third-party candidate in protest …which could just lead to Trump’s victory, which the article itself acknowledges would be the worst possible outcome.

    In 2024, Claudia de La Cruz and Karina Garcia are running a socialist campaign for president and vice president of the United States. In the leadup to November and beyond, we must fight the misleadership of both the Republicans and Democrats and build a movement that not only identifies the problems that Black America faces, but proposes real solutions.

    The time to fight the Democratic leadership is unfortunately past, and the only way forward to being able to win going forward is to vote for Harris. Voting for Trump (or casting a third-party candidate, essentially the same thing) is guaranteed to make things much worse.

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      First, don’t vote for genociders. I think if that isn’t the limit, you don’t have one and might as well admit to being a supporter of genocide.

      Cool headline, but ultimately just another call to have people throw their votes to a third-party candidate in protest

      Those who organize to vote third party do a better job at building leverage for their interests than sheepdogs that try to convince people to Vite Blue No Matter Who. Which one is throwing a vote away? You don’t even register on Dems’ radar as anything other than a “likely Dem voter” to maybe send a volunteer out to remind you to vote.

      …which could just lead to Trump’s victory, which the article itself acknowledges would be the worst possible outcome.

      The article does not say that. It is very clear on its line that neither party is the one to fight for black people. I have to assume you simply didn’t read it.

      The time to fight the Democratic leadership is unfortunately past

      The time to fight oppressive genociders never passes. Please stop telling other people to give up their fight for justice. I’m getting white moderate vibes from your comment.

      PS Harris has never won a single state in a Democratic primary. What in earth do you think was the right time and right method of opposition and building if leverage? The party just dictated all of this at you and now you carry water for it.

      and the only way forward to being able to win going forward is to vote for Harris.

      To win what? The thesis of this article is that black people don’t win regardless of which party has the presidency. Who are you talking to and do they understand what you mean by “win”?

      Voting for Trump (or casting a third-party candidate, essentially the same thing) is guaranteed to make things much worse.

      Voting for a third party is not the same as voting for Trump. Get that nonsense out if here.

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      1 month ago

      Harris has more or less the same solutions for black America, as this article lays out. Both parties offer false promises while supporting the material bases of oppression. Both parties are the parties of mass incarceration, criminal injustice, gentrification, school defunding, and ultimately, widespread material deprivation of the working class, the poor, the unhoused. We’ve had a Trump presidency. It was, despite liberals’ panic at rude statements, more or less, the typical status quo right up until the pandemic hit.

      This is not because Trump was good, it was because he did the same basic things as his predecessors and successor. Liberals temporarily cared about kids in cages under Trump and suddenly lost all interest under Biden, now pretending that it simply stopped because they aren’t hearing about it even as the Biden admin has ramped up imprisonment and deportations. Very little changed, materially. The same applies to the lives of black people. If anything, conditions have gotten worse under Biden through policies increasing unemployment, the normalization of the pandemic and ending of economic support during it, and the massive funds for cops, increasing criminalization of poverty, and decreases in universal funding, leaving communities subjected to the legacies of red lining and discrimination to self-fund. Fewer jobs, worse pay, less support, more observation and racially discriminatory criminalization.

      Expect this to continue until we actually organize to build real leverage and address the actual root causes of these issues and why neither party identifies them.

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    Astute readers might also note that the concept of a “solution” for black america is neatly addressed by addressing the decline of material conditions that has been caused by the introduction of means-testing social policies since the conclusion of ww2.

    Of course Harris has no solution, or even an understanding of how those things could ever be related.