• Bonskreeskreeskree@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    No one that matters cares about what either of those 3 countries has to say. Ukraine will continue to be supported by the west and Russia will continue to suffer the consequences of their actions.

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      No one that matters cares about what either of those 3 countries has to say.

      Right, I’m sorry, silly me, I forgot that people outside of North America (and maybe Europe and a few more countries) don’t matter (I’m not sure if we can even call them people).

      Ukraine will continue to be supported by the west

      Yeah, this one is unfortunately true, the west will continue holding Ukrainians hostage in the mass prison that is Ukraine now and kidnapping them from the streets to fight their proxy war. I can only hope that this won’t last much longer :(

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        3 months ago

        China depends on the world buying its cheap bullshit. Iran is essentially a terrorist state. Brazil is a powerhouse of south America, but what influence do they really have on the global stage?

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        3 months ago

        Ukrainians don’t want to be subjugated by Russia though. Once they want to stop, it stops. Russia could’ve of course not started the whole thing and could stop it at any time without it being an existential threat to them.

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            I don’t know what that is, I was just saying that that’s why they’re still fighting the invader. Can’t stop fighting without Russia subjugating them.

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              3 months ago

              I don’t know what that is

              Well, you can listen (or rather read English subtitles) here about what it is: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0

              I was just saying that that’s why they’re still fighting the invader. Can’t

              Who are they? The people that are mass imprisoned, either trying to escape the country or afraid leaving their homes because they are afraid of being kidnapped by ТЦК?? They are not fucking fighting, they are being forced to to the front lines by Zelensky’s regime.

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                It doesn’t show English as available subtitles for me. Would also be helpful to know who these guys are and whatnot.

                Who are they?

                Ukrainians in general.

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                  3 months ago

                  It doesn’t show English as available subtitles for me.

                  At least on the PC version you should be able to turn on auto-generated ones.

                  Would also be helpful to know who these guys are and whatnot.

                  Svitan, ex Colonel of AFU. He is extremely pro-Ukrainian in general, but even he admits that current government is anti-Ukrainian, and turned Pokrovsk into a concentration camp.

                  Ukrainians in general.

                  Ukrainians (at least those whom Zelensky’s regime considers good cannon fodder) are imprisoned in Ukraine, and are kidnapped from the streets by ТЦК (“recruitment officers”). They don’t want to fight.

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                    It just shows me auto-generated Russian subtitles

                    Ukrainians (at least those whom Zelensky’s regime considers good cannon fodder) are imprisoned in Ukraine, and are kidnapped from the streets by ТЦК (“recruitment officers”). They don’t want to fight.

                    Seems like they still want to fight. It’d be over pretty quickly if they didn’t.

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      3 months ago

      Ukraine is the only one suffering the consequences of the “west’s” actions here my friend.

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        Because it was the west that decided to invade in 2014, it was the west that made Ukraine feel so fucking vulnerable for 8 years that they decided to turn into NATO, and then it was the west again who sent tanks into Kiev. Yeah.

        I’m not blind to not see that this benefits the US, but honestly, it looks like an opportunity for the west, not something they provoked. If Russia didn’t want the west to benefit so much from it maybe they shouldn’t have had invaded in 2014 because the people of a separate sovereign country revolted against the Russian puppet President.

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        Yeah, so it’s the west that’s been bombing, shooting and raping civilians in Ukraine? How could I have not noticed that before?

        And you are not my friend.

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        How many soldiers has Russia lost? How many naval vessels? How many km of their own territory are now under Ukrainian control? How much has their economy collapsed from sanctions? How much has putins favorability dropped with his population? Foolish as shit to say what you’ve said.

        Meanwhile Ukraine will soon join nato and is in an overall significantly better position on the global stage than they were prior. Just delete your comment.

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        Russia has lost a lot of lives in that war too. Not that there’s much sympathy there, they are the ones who attacked Ukraine, but still

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      3 months ago

      The world has changed grandpa. China is a superpower, Iran is a major regional power and Brazil has a lot of attractive people.

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        China has been a super power, Iran is an ass backwards country and if the only thing positive you can think to say about Brazil is they’ve got hot people then oof. Are they not the highest gdp country of south america?

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      3 months ago

      A peace deal proposed by arms suppliers to one of the parties in the conflict just might be a bit one-sided, don’t you think?