This was originally written as a reply for this thread: https://lemmy.world/post/19238577
I’m copying it here because I don’t trust a LW admin to just not delete it right away since that seems to be something they love doing.
tl;dr - a user calls out the LW mods for rapid fire banning a bunch of users today, I investigate
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Let’s review some of these bans, as called out by [email protected]:
https://lemm.ee/post/40926293/14446156
From the top:
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/4XsXuOC
Quote: "LW admin/mod team seem to have this overbearing and weird belief that they need to tell everyone else what to think and how to think it. How about… you all just fuck off and don’t?
Result: Permaban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/LIye27F
Quote: “All rights are won through violence, child. Bans on here means less than the nothing platitudes you utter”
Result: 15 day ban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/ONGdgNo
Quote: [the quote is really long, pls dont make me type it and just look at the link lol]
Result: 15 day ban
Note: the comment precedes the ban by 26 days, but catloaf’s recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/q2kktNQ
Quote: “Damn what a shame, guy almost stopped being a moderator on an internet forum, would have been a grave tragedy”
Result: Permaban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/ZCRtuJe
Stormesp’s profile at lemm.ee: https://lemm.ee/u/stormesp
Quote: [there were no comments removed in the modlog, but stormesp’s recent comment history contains opinions critical of the LW News mod team, read them yourself]
Result: 15 day ban
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[email protected] https://imgur.com/YwIMSOq
Quotes: [multiple quotes, there are a lot, check out the link]
Result: 15 day ban
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Summary
Most interestingly here is that the two users who got permabanned didn’t use slurs and didn’t call for violence, they merely insulted the moderator team. I guess in the LW News mod team’s eyes, that’s a horrible, terrible, awful, unforgivable offense, so… PERMABAN.
Aniki literally is saying “words are useless, let’s resort to violence” but that’s a 15 day ban only, OK, makes sense, right???
Catloaf and Stormesp were actively leaving comments sparring with the moderator team in that thread. To be honest, none of what I’m seeing in these comment seems worthy of a ban. Unless of course, you’re a LW mod and you go “this guy is disagreeing with me, therefore they deserve a ban.”
Edit: I forgot to write about MindTraveller since that guy douchecanoe was a last minute addition. But look at those aggressive comments, guy douchecanoe deserves a ban for sure.
Edit 2: fixed pronouns for MindTraveller
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Conclusion
Not a good look. Does LW want to grow into a good Reddit alternative or do they just want to turn it into Reddit for themselves only?
LW can at least come clean about this and say “yes, the rest of you can get fucked” or maybe they will have a moment of realization at some point “oh my god, are we the baddies?”
That’s why I’m a proponent of a a truly federated system where for any community you would be able to choose which are the people in charge of moderating/curating your feed.
You need to be able to criticize moderators, and moderators need to be able to accept criticism, both good and bad. Some of those bans really speak towards really insecure moderation. I’m also not a fan of them being able to get complete anonymity while doing so. What usually happens is the problems is a bad apple within the mod team but the rest will still get defensive regardless when the only one you can blame is the entire group, it’s group psychology 101.
Even “ACAB” cops all have an ID number that can identify them, and on lemmy it’s even easier to create an alt. Heck, if you go over to their Matrix chat and talk to lemmy heads, they don’t consider unfair abusive lemmy bans a big deal because “its ok if people are forced to create a new alt, if they aren’t culpable they won’t get banned again”. Literally fucking shit logic, specially considering if a ban was actually justified you would not want to lose track of who that person is masquerading as.
The same reddit double standard is here, and I see that the modlog doesn’t even seem to be displaying who the particular admin or mod who performed the action was anymore while still providing only the most minimal explanation with no chance for individual users to contest it. Seriously, all it took was for mods to create a mod alias, but even that was too much?
People left Reddit because of the API problem, but the problem was there long before. Subreddits like modsbeingdicks and others got banned even though their moderation did a top notch job at making sure personally identifiable information was removed from posts and comments in comparison to other subreddits that still remain. The future of Lemmy may very well be limited to becoming a poor man’s Reddit. The Stanford prison experiment, read up on it, and if you find it too uncomfortable, jump on the bandwagon of trying to find something to nitpick about the study as it has become customary to do so, doesn’t change how relatable it is.
Come to [email protected]