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    Every system is bad and will ultimately fail for the vast majority. As long as humans partake in it.

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        That reaaaaally depends on how you’d measure “success”. The millions of de-facto-slaves would probably not agree.

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        Probably more fascist than communist these days. My actual favourite theory though is that there are way more important things happening under the hood of nations, and whether they’re called communist or democratic or whatever is just a veneer.

        James A. Robinson’s book Why Nations Fail for instance provides an interesting alternative way to look at this, that goes beneath the surface.

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        Imagine how awesome a dictatorship would be if the dictator would want the best for their people instead of the best for their own? Oh right, never happened. Communism could be great, in theory. In real people partake and greed ruins it. Or is there a great working example?

        And let’s not even talk about capitalism. If you really have to question this, enjoy your young innocent life with ideologies. Not meant sarcastically.

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            Wow, what a reply. Did you even read what i said or you just pavlo-ed to “communism bad”?

            Why do i even answer, you didn’t either

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              I read every word of it. Your comment was built on false assumptions and idealist thinking, rather than materialist.

              You claimed that “Communism cannot work because people partake in it,” ie you laid out idealist thinking, rather than materialist. You then went on to claim that “dictators take advantage of it and ruin it,” which is again false. You don’t understand how AES states are structured, nor how they improved metrics.

              As an example, here is the USSR’s democratic model:

              As another example, here is wealth disparity in the USSR:

              And as a final example, here is the rate of change in GDP per Capita of the USSR:

              You don’t have any points, just vibes.

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                Ok you’ve read, but didn’t understand. Maybe i should’ve expressed myself more clearly.

                I didn’t say dictators rule communism. It was an example of how every other system fails too. They all failed. Except capitalism, that thrieves perfectly. At least for the 1% and a few closely to it. For the rest it’s probably the worst of all fails. One that isn’t even obvious to the regular worker-drone.

                And also you didn’t mention a system that works great and a live example of it. Who cares about a theory? In theory everything can work great. I’m not saying any theory is bad. I say there is no execution possible. History and the current state seem like pretty good markers.

                So yeah cool, USSR was fine. Great Gini-index and all. Good point. But where is it now? Dying in the hands of one tremendously greedy piece of shit. Partially fucked by previous members.

                Theory can’t compete with greed and/or religion. Unless you just love to theorize, smoke weed, and pretend it could be cool if only…

                No insult meant. Probably better to have idealists than realists. I just can’t.