• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    No, that seems to be what you want to do, the fascists are already winning and you still cling to the endless right-wing slide.

    I advocate for organizing. Join an org, be that a union, a party, a Mutual Aid center, whatever. Get organized and start building dual power. If all you do is vote once every four years, then you are part of the reason why the Democrats continue to slide to the right as the GOP pushes farther to the right.

    • newfie@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 months ago

      You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.

      We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency

      Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.

      • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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        3 months ago

        You can do all of that and still vote for the blue team.

        Sure, you can vote for the less extreme fascists. The problem that we run into is that liberals just vote and then go to brunch for 2 years before voting again. Leftist movements died down under Biden and the Democrats moved to the right, no longer is Medicare for All being pushed for, as an example.

        We all need to organize and work to strengthen unions. We need to do that. So the choice is just do we want to do that under a blue team presidency or a red team/MAGA presidency

        Sure. Unions would be a good start, though not even close to sufficent. The Nordics are very highly unionized, yet still see sliding worker protections and Capitalist decay.

        Blue team seems much more currently amenable to unionization. So that seems like it would be the superior conditions for us to organize under.

        Are they really? Some members of Blue team, sure, but it’s important to recognize that unions come from force, not from government protections. The dems crack down on any worker movements just as quickly as the Reps.

        Actual organization among the workers is far more important.

        • newfie@lemmy.mlEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I agree. But the question is just do we want to organize under the blue team or under the red team/MAGA team.

          I agree those are bad options. And I agree with the concern that many libs will just check out and go back to brunch if Kamala wins.

          So it depends if you think Trump would be so bad that he would remove the little that is left of the ability of the working class to organize. We would become similar to Hungary under Orban in terms of centralized power with a deferential judiciary. That seems like it would be worse than 4 more years of Biden+'s blue team nonsense

          • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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            3 months ago

            I agree. But the question is just do we want to organize under the blue team or under the red team/MAGA team.

            Neither team being in power will fundamentally change the dynamic of the labor struggle, states will continue to lean in the direction they are and class warfare will accelerate.

            I agree those are bad options. And I agree with the concern that many libs will just check out and go back to brunch if Kamala wins.

            Unfortunately, this has already happened under Biden, and some liberals are even pushing against leftism harder than fascism at this point.

            So it depends if you think Trump would be so bad that he would remove the little that is left of the ability of the working class to organize. We would become similar to Hungary under Orban in terms of centralized power with a deferential judiciary. That seems like it would be worse than 4 more years of Biden+'s blue team nonsense

            If Trump was that powerful, then the vote won’t matter in the first place. The dynamics won’t change. Conditions may falter a bit more, but the Dems and the Reps are still continuing the same trajectory.