Alt Text: post that says dripping testosterone levels in men since 1980s is the biggest crime of the century.

    • andrewth09@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      From the website:

      The truth is that [the] whole project is (most of the time) quite inaccurate and error-prone, and often involves way too little data to really make a judgment, despite my best efforts. It also involves my amateur method of “age-adjusting” the results to be comparable. So this whole project is quite inaccurate and shouldn’t be used for serious conclusions. But if you understand the inaccuracies involved, you still may find it interesting.

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        3 months ago

        “Listen, we know we’re full of shit, but that won’t stop your anti-trans uncle from posting our nonsense on Facebook.”

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    3 months ago

    This man is a “lunatic” because he’s worried about a change in the hormone levels of hundreds of millions of people?

    Tell me you’re a misandrist without telling me you’re a misandrist.

    • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today
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      3 months ago

      Well, he is a lunatic for different reasons, but the reason for declining testosterone is not because of a crime, a plot, or correlating to a lack of masculinity, heavily masculine individuals still exist en masse, rather the average is being brought down by associated factors including average USA population increases in weight, diabetes, and of course age (See the Table below). Other factors that haven’t necessarily been proven to effect us on this scale, but probably do, is the move away from meat. While strictly veganism and vegetarian demographics have declined in recent years depending on who you ask, meat-replacement markets have grown massively in the last two decades.

      There is no current widespread deficiency or emergency. Even with lower Testosterone levels most males are sufficient to remain healthy, even the chart shows that all but one blip of the collected data is above the 350 mark which is considered safe.

      EDIT: Looks like consumption of fat contents in meat inversely correlates with testosterone, so vegans might actually be more masculine by that definition.

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        A quick literary search suggests there is no evidence linking a vegan diet with a reduction in testosterone. In fact, most studies found an small but significant increase in testosterone with specifically vegan men.

        A simple google search shows nothing that backs up your claim, odd that you would have made it.

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          3 months ago

          I used words like “not proven to” and “probably” as reasons to express doubt, but yeah it looks like it was a recent controversy with men’s health magazine and several studies going back about at least a decade disprove it citing a very clear inverse correlation with higher fat concentration in meats.

  • geekworking@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    How much do you want to bet that the source is somebody trying to sell some sort of snake oil claiming to boost testosterone.

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      3 months ago

      It’s a terrible graph anyway. The outliers haven’t been removed and I completely don’t understand the line of best fit that’s been drawn because it appears to be squiggly. How can it be squiggly, it’s a line of best fit, it’s an approximation. Oh and making some of the points green does not increase their validity.

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    3 months ago

    A useful approximation of normal T levels in humans can be seen in present day hunter gatherers in Africa. The Hadza tribe was shown to have an average level of 151pmol/l, well below that of what we see in societies such as America. We can, therefore, argue that the reduction of T levels in modern man over the last few years is a shift back towards the norm.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2674347/#:~:text=Consistent with data from a,Hadza and the Datoga%2C respectively.