• Saapas@piefed.zip
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    The definition you give doesn’t apply to Russia’s actions here. The part about expansionism in your definition is in service of maintaining empire, an economic status.

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    Empire-building links back to imperialism. I’m sorry but you can’t just add in new requirements until you are satisfied with the results. It doesn’t work like that.

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      Russia is clearing Kiev’s forces out of the DPR and LPR. You have not explained how this is in service of empire-building or colonialism, which are economic relations.

      I’m not adding requirements, I’m going off of your own requirements.

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        You call their invasion and annexation “clearing out Kiev’s forces”. You don’t see how changing the language doesn’t make what’s actually happening any different?

        And no, the definition didn’t include your additions. You are taking the definition, adding more requirements and still claiming it is the same requirement. Not how it works.

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            My support doesn’t have any bearing on the definition of the word or what is actually happening. I’m flattered you think it does though.

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              It absolutely has bearing. If you recognize the right of self-determination for the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, then you recognize their right to join Russia. Consensual joining of territory is absolutely not imperialism, and Kiev trying to prevent the ethnic Russians it has been slaughtering from leaving its grasp is closer to what Israel is doing to Palestinians.

              Secondly, no, I’m not adding. What do you think an empire is? What is colonization? You’re reducing all of these to mere political preference instead of economic relationships, cherry-picking vague summaries and sticking your head in the sand when it comes to parts of those summaries that explain the economic factor that you are keen on erasing.

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                If I’m in support of their invasion, annexation, expansion and creation of buffer state it doesn’t change anything about the actual actions. And it’s the actions and not the language that makes one an empire.

                Secondly, no, I’m not adding.

                parts of those summaries that explain the economic factor

                I’d be happy to see you point out those parts in the actual articles. As a matter of fact, the imperialism article even has this addition about colonialism

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                  Annexing territory is not imperialism itself. It can be a part of imperialism, if you relate it to how it’s in service of economic extraction and the setting up of imperialized subjects. If you support the people in Donetsk and Luhansk as having sovereignty, then Kiev’s Banderites are invading their territory and thus Russia is clearing out the invading force. That’s why I asked if you recognize the right of self-determination for the people of Donetsk and Luhansk, because it seems you support Kiev’s right to ethnically cleanse them.

                  Secondly, colonialism is different but related. Colonialism is the direct subjugation of one country under another, with formalized occupying forces and states, like what happened in Algeria. Imperialism on the other hand is the more general process of exporting capital and plundering the global south. The methods of expansionism and colonialism are means by which to maintain imperialism.

                  Reading 2 short paragraphs on Wikipedia and thinking you know enough to understand what imperialism is and the mechanisms it operates by is the peak of liberal hubris.

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                    Krhm. I said, I’d be happy to see you point out those parts in the actual articles. You didn’t do that. But interestingly, the article on imperialism does include this

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