Ukraine surrenders, the war stops, and the already pro-Russian seperatist regions get to go where they want to go. The pro-Kiev regions of Ukraine stay with Ukraine, and no more killings on either side will happen.
It isn’t imperialism, Russia is intervening on behalf of the seperatists in Donetsk and Luhansk that have been fighting Kiev for a decade. Kiev is losing, they do not get to dictate terms, just try to negotiate for better. It’s in Ukraine’s interest to try to negotiate now, rather than continue to lose what bargaining chips they have through millitary defeat.
Donetsk and Luhansk broke away from Kiev, and requested Russian support, then voted to join Russia. Kiev has been at war with Donetsk and Luhansk for over a decade, and are majority pro-Russian. Imperialism isn’t sinply annexing territory.
Sure, imperialist countries do that too, but Russia isn’t an imperialist country. It holds a tiny amount of global financial capital compared to the west, has no colonies nor neocolonies, and does not function by exporting capital to super-exploit the global south.
It’s actually the exact opposite. It is the Ukrainian Nazis who think and behave exactly like the Zionists. They even openly say that they want to turn Ukraine into a “larger Israel”.
It is these Banderite fascists, who have illegally seized control of Ukraine and brutally repress the population, who have a fanatical ethnic hatred of Russians and who want to ethnically cleanse Ukraine of everything Russian like the Israelis want to do to Palestinians.
The Russians don’t and have never reciprocated this hatred. They consider the Ukrainians their brothers. The liberated territories are full of Russian speaking Ukrainians who now live as equal Russian citizens. There are millions of Ukrainian refugees who chose to go to Russia.
If and when Russia completely absorbs Ukraine the Ukrainians (those who aren’t Nazis) will still be living on their land, just as peacefully as any of the other 150+ ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation. The same cannot be said of the Palestinians and their stolen land.
There’s a shitload of hatred towards Ukrainians by Russians online. Saying they just consider them their brothers is laughable, some absolutely hate Ukrainians and want to eradicate them and erase their identity (and saying how they’re just Russians while also saying they’re pigs or something(?))
Why are there millions of Ukrainians living peacefully and happily in Russia alongside Russians, if Russians hate Ukrainians? Why do so many of these Ukrainians living in Russia support Russia and the SMO?
Is it maybe because the only Ukrainians who the Russians actually hate are the Nazis who have hijacked the country of Ukraine, turned the country into a prison from which no one but the rich can leave, and brainwashed the people into hating Russians? Brainwashed them into hating themselves in fact, since a majority of Ukrainians are native Russian speakers…
Should the Russians love these extremist fascists who murder and torture Ukrainians and Russians alike and commit terrorist acts against civilians?
I’m not saying every single Russian is perfect or that there aren’t any who make stupid generalizations about Ukrainians, but clearly the mainstream Russian opinion and most importantly the government position, is that Ukrainians are brothers (literally, so many families have relatives on both sides of the border). The ethnic hatred hasn’t been elevated to the level of state policy there. The extremists in Russia haven’t been empowered like they have in Ukraine.
And weren’t you claiming that the Russians are doing to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Gaza? Now you say they just want to “erase their identity”. Do the Zionists just want to turn the Palestinians into Israelis? Do they believe that Palestinians are just Israelis who have been led astray? No. They don’t even see the Palestinians as humans. They want to physically kill or remove them from the land.
In Mariupol, Russia has rebuilt for free the local residents’ homes that were destroyed in the fighting. When is the last time Israel allowed Palestinians to even return to their homes at all, let alone rebuilt their homes that the Israelis demolished?
Why is Ukrainian an official and protected language in the Donbass and Crimea and is even taught in schools there, if the Russians wanted to erase Ukrainian identity? Why are there streets named after Ukraine in Moscow?
Meanwhile in Ukraine the Russian language is banned, even though it is the native language of most of Eastern Ukraine. They literally punish children for speaking Russian in schools. They burn Russian language books. The Russian Orthodox Church is being attacked. History books were rewritten to glorify Nazis and vilify the Soviet liberators (many of them were Ukrainians btw). Streets and towns with Russian names were renamed, and many now bear names of Nazi collaborators. Who is trying to erase who’s identity?
Why is it that after nearly four years of conflict involving millions of combatants in Ukraine, the conflict has one of the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratios of any modern war? Why are there are nowhere near as many civilian casualties in all these years as there were in just the first few months of the Gaza genocide?
Why is it that every time Israel drops a bomb they kill a dozen Palestinians, but when Russia launches entire salvos of hundreds of drones and missiles it is rare to have even one or two civilian casualties? Is it maybe because the Russians do not want to mass murder Ukrainians like the Israelis want to do to the Palestinians?
There’s a lot of Russians who live(d) in Ukraine. Those of course are going to be welcomed in Russia. And there’s Ukrainians who support Russia over their own country, those are going to officially be well received too. So there’s really not big disconnect between the hateful attitudes and official proparanda.
And sometimes they treat Ukrainians as “brothers” in the sense that they’re denying their whole identity as Ukrainians.
So every Russian-speaking Ukrainian is just a Russian? It seems it’s you who is denying Ukrainian identity.
What exactly constitutes a Ukrainian in your opinion? Is it just someone who hates Russia, so that if a Ukrainian speaks Russian and likes Russia do they cease to be Ukrainian?
And sometimes they treat Ukrainians as “brothers” in the sense that they’re denying their whole identity as Ukrainians.
So which is it? Do they hate Ukrainians or do they think they are one and the same?
“Israel” has no terms and has offered no peace other than annihilation. Russia has offered peace deal after peace deal for ten years. You know these things are not comparable, and to insist they are for the sake of your pride is to whitewash the zionist entity’s genocide.
Where do you get this Lord of the Rings-ass idea? Russia doesn’t want to absorb Ukraine because
A) They do not want to be responsible for decades of Banderite insurgencies, and
B) Doing so would mean that they now share a vulnerable border with a NATO member which is, and I cannot stress this enough, most of the reason they went into Ukraine in the first place.
What they actually want is a buffer zone in the form of a demilitarized Ukraine.
Did you read anything I said? They do not want to be responsible for the dealing with the shambles that Ukraine has become. It benefits them far more to let that be Europe’s burden
It doesn’t matter what the Ukranian government wants or doesnt want, they’ve lost the war. If you don’t like it, take it up with the nazis in charge or the Americans who put them there in the 2014 Maidan coup and told them they could win. The Ukranian people overwhelmingly want peace. There were so many offramps before this point, and the US puppet government refused all of them, so now here we are learning an object lesson in why diplomacy is preferable to belligerence.
You have an eleven year old’s idea of how and why wars happen, and a fourteen year old’s habit of retreating to moody sarcasm when you realize you’re out of your depth in an argument.
Russia stops the invasion, nothing changes for Russia. Ukraine surrenders, no more Ukraine.
Ukraine surrenders, the war stops, and the already pro-Russian seperatist regions get to go where they want to go. The pro-Kiev regions of Ukraine stay with Ukraine, and no more killings on either side will happen.
It’s a generous deal, surrender and become a subjugated buffer state. Gotta love imperialism
It isn’t imperialism, Russia is intervening on behalf of the seperatists in Donetsk and Luhansk that have been fighting Kiev for a decade. Kiev is losing, they do not get to dictate terms, just try to negotiate for better. It’s in Ukraine’s interest to try to negotiate now, rather than continue to lose what bargaining chips they have through millitary defeat.
Hah yeah right
Donetsk and Luhansk broke away from Kiev, and requested Russian support, then voted to join Russia. Kiev has been at war with Donetsk and Luhansk for over a decade, and are majority pro-Russian. Imperialism isn’t sinply annexing territory.
Invading, annexing, creating buffer states, that’s pretty much the typical shit imperilaist countries do
Sure, imperialist countries do that too, but Russia isn’t an imperialist country. It holds a tiny amount of global financial capital compared to the west, has no colonies nor neocolonies, and does not function by exporting capital to super-exploit the global south.
Russia of course does what people complain about imperialist countries do, but you see, Russia is too poor to count. It’s just sparkling hostility.
If the war keeps going there will be no more Ukraine. Peace now on Russia’s terms is the only way to preserve it.
Fucking grim what Russia is doing. It’s like Israel to Palestine.
It’s actually the exact opposite. It is the Ukrainian Nazis who think and behave exactly like the Zionists. They even openly say that they want to turn Ukraine into a “larger Israel”.
It is these Banderite fascists, who have illegally seized control of Ukraine and brutally repress the population, who have a fanatical ethnic hatred of Russians and who want to ethnically cleanse Ukraine of everything Russian like the Israelis want to do to Palestinians.
The Russians don’t and have never reciprocated this hatred. They consider the Ukrainians their brothers. The liberated territories are full of Russian speaking Ukrainians who now live as equal Russian citizens. There are millions of Ukrainian refugees who chose to go to Russia.
If and when Russia completely absorbs Ukraine the Ukrainians (those who aren’t Nazis) will still be living on their land, just as peacefully as any of the other 150+ ethnic minorities in the Russian Federation. The same cannot be said of the Palestinians and their stolen land.
There’s a shitload of hatred towards Ukrainians by Russians online. Saying they just consider them their brothers is laughable, some absolutely hate Ukrainians and want to eradicate them and erase their identity (and saying how they’re just Russians while also saying they’re pigs or something(?))
Why are there millions of Ukrainians living peacefully and happily in Russia alongside Russians, if Russians hate Ukrainians? Why do so many of these Ukrainians living in Russia support Russia and the SMO?
Is it maybe because the only Ukrainians who the Russians actually hate are the Nazis who have hijacked the country of Ukraine, turned the country into a prison from which no one but the rich can leave, and brainwashed the people into hating Russians? Brainwashed them into hating themselves in fact, since a majority of Ukrainians are native Russian speakers…
Should the Russians love these extremist fascists who murder and torture Ukrainians and Russians alike and commit terrorist acts against civilians?
I’m not saying every single Russian is perfect or that there aren’t any who make stupid generalizations about Ukrainians, but clearly the mainstream Russian opinion and most importantly the government position, is that Ukrainians are brothers (literally, so many families have relatives on both sides of the border). The ethnic hatred hasn’t been elevated to the level of state policy there. The extremists in Russia haven’t been empowered like they have in Ukraine.
And weren’t you claiming that the Russians are doing to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Gaza? Now you say they just want to “erase their identity”. Do the Zionists just want to turn the Palestinians into Israelis? Do they believe that Palestinians are just Israelis who have been led astray? No. They don’t even see the Palestinians as humans. They want to physically kill or remove them from the land.
In Mariupol, Russia has rebuilt for free the local residents’ homes that were destroyed in the fighting. When is the last time Israel allowed Palestinians to even return to their homes at all, let alone rebuilt their homes that the Israelis demolished?
Why is Ukrainian an official and protected language in the Donbass and Crimea and is even taught in schools there, if the Russians wanted to erase Ukrainian identity? Why are there streets named after Ukraine in Moscow?
Meanwhile in Ukraine the Russian language is banned, even though it is the native language of most of Eastern Ukraine. They literally punish children for speaking Russian in schools. They burn Russian language books. The Russian Orthodox Church is being attacked. History books were rewritten to glorify Nazis and vilify the Soviet liberators (many of them were Ukrainians btw). Streets and towns with Russian names were renamed, and many now bear names of Nazi collaborators. Who is trying to erase who’s identity?
Why is it that after nearly four years of conflict involving millions of combatants in Ukraine, the conflict has one of the lowest civilian to combatant casualty ratios of any modern war? Why are there are nowhere near as many civilian casualties in all these years as there were in just the first few months of the Gaza genocide?
Why is it that every time Israel drops a bomb they kill a dozen Palestinians, but when Russia launches entire salvos of hundreds of drones and missiles it is rare to have even one or two civilian casualties? Is it maybe because the Russians do not want to mass murder Ukrainians like the Israelis want to do to the Palestinians?
There’s a lot of Russians who live(d) in Ukraine. Those of course are going to be welcomed in Russia. And there’s Ukrainians who support Russia over their own country, those are going to officially be well received too. So there’s really not big disconnect between the hateful attitudes and official proparanda.
And sometimes they treat Ukrainians as “brothers” in the sense that they’re denying their whole identity as Ukrainians.
So every Russian-speaking Ukrainian is just a Russian? It seems it’s you who is denying Ukrainian identity.
What exactly constitutes a Ukrainian in your opinion? Is it just someone who hates Russia, so that if a Ukrainian speaks Russian and likes Russia do they cease to be Ukrainian?
So which is it? Do they hate Ukrainians or do they think they are one and the same?
Nobody claimed this
I trust their own identity and view on this one.
Both happen. And denying one’s identity is a pretty hateful act.
Ukraine and Israel are allies
I’m not sure you got the comparison…
I did it’s just a nonsensical comparison that borders on genocide denial
I’ve definitely heard people say that
You have not.
“Israel” has no terms and has offered no peace other than annihilation. Russia has offered peace deal after peace deal for ten years. You know these things are not comparable, and to insist they are for the sake of your pride is to whitewash the zionist entity’s genocide.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/15/hamas-surrender-palestinian-lives/
It’s not exactly a rare sentiment from pro-Israel side. And it’s easy to recognize how bullshit it is. Which is why it’s such a good comparison.
Where do you get this Lord of the Rings-ass idea? Russia doesn’t want to absorb Ukraine because
A) They do not want to be responsible for decades of Banderite insurgencies, and
B) Doing so would mean that they now share a vulnerable border with a NATO member which is, and I cannot stress this enough, most of the reason they went into Ukraine in the first place.
What they actually want is a buffer zone in the form of a demilitarized Ukraine.
“Nah they don’t want to take over, they just want to make it into a weak country they totally control”
Lmao that’s great I wonder why Ukraine doesn’t go for that
Did you read anything I said? They do not want to be responsible for the dealing with the shambles that Ukraine has become. It benefits them far more to let that be Europe’s burden
It doesn’t matter what the Ukranian government wants or doesnt want, they’ve lost the war. If you don’t like it, take it up with the nazis in charge or the Americans who put them there in the 2014 Maidan coup and told them they could win. The Ukranian people overwhelmingly want peace. There were so many offramps before this point, and the US puppet government refused all of them, so now here we are learning an object lesson in why diplomacy is preferable to belligerence.
Tsundere Russia, it’s not like it even wants to control Ukraine, baka.
You have an eleven year old’s idea of how and why wars happen, and a fourteen year old’s habit of retreating to moody sarcasm when you realize you’re out of your depth in an argument.
Don’t be upset, it was just a joke
I mean at some point it makes sense to recognize that the conversation isn’t going anywhere