• Kieselguhr [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    3 months ago

    The fundamental problem with leftists is that we’re mostly smug assholes who refuse to work with anyone we disagree with,

    I’m not American - I’m saying you are worse than what liberals say Russian and Chinese are

    anyone we disagree with,

    • Economically they are neoliberals - leftists are opposed to neoliberalism
    • Their foreign policy is brinkmanship, genocide and bombing allied infrastructure

    This is 0/2- how are they not enemies rather than “someone I disagree with”?

    until that changes we will remain completely irrelevant.

    You will remain irrelevant because you’d vote D whatever they do. It seems like you represent the Dems as a project whatever they do, rather than they represent the voter base, earning votes.
    Which is ass backwards.

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      Who said anything about supporting them. I’m willing to take on my enemies one at a time starting with the worst of the lot.

      By the way, I already gave a list of things that I think the Democrats are better than Republicans on at the very start of this whole conversion chain, but I guess you can’t remember that long ago when it doesn’t suit your narrative.

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        3 months ago

        Who said anything about supporting them

        Yes, I vote for them unconditionally, and I also argue publicly to vote for them unconditionally

        Who said anything about supporting them

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          Who said anything about unconditionally? You’re just making shit up. They are clearly, objectively least terrible viable option right now in 2024. If that changes I will be glad to dump them, but for now I have to live in the real world. I hope some day you can join me here.

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            3 months ago

            Whether you like it or not they don’t see your vote as an endorsement of the marginal differences, they see it as an endrosement of everything they’re doing, including that genocide thats going on.

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              I don’t think Harris will do what I want. I’ll try to put as much pressure as I can on her if she becomes president, but I don’t really expect much in the way of results. I just want the option that will result in the smallest number of innocent people dying and the least rights lost for those who live over the next 4 years. That option is clearly Harris, even if the differences are marginal.

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            If that changes I will be glad to dump them

            If genocide doesn’t change the calculus in your mind, then nothing ever will. And genocide is only like the tip of the iceberg in terms of problems with the democratic party.

            The Biden admin has single handedly fucked my budget despite me living in europe by bombing the nordstream and the shit they pulled with project Ukraine.

            They are actively trying to drag humanity into world war 3 on like 3 different fronts. That’s not getting into the shit the Biden admin is probably pulling in Africa and Latin America (which I am less knowledgeable about).

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              Jesus fucking Christ how fucking stupid are you? I don’t get the option I want. I’ve never gotten the option I want. I don’t want any of these options. All of the options are bad, but some bad things are worse than others. How can you not get such a basic concept? I can’t actually believe you’re really this stupid. It can’t be real. Why the fuck are you in here telling me your farts smell like roses? What the fuck is this bullshit?

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                3 months ago

                You are a moron.

                But you would be 50% less insufferable if you were actually completely, utterly ashamed about voting for the Dems, and spent 100% of your commenting energy scolding mainstream liberals for giving absolute dogshit neocon candidates in their purported fight against fascism.

                But you are not ashamed, you are shamelessly scolding leftists who don’t want to vote for people committing genocide right now

                You are absolutely out of your depth here and should just fuck back off to your radlib bubble

                We are not going to convince you, since you are a clown, and you are clearly ineffective when you try to argue against actual leftists