Fair enough. I’ve only really had much discussion about a lot of this stuff with a trans sibling. I’ve learned a lot from him. His coming out was one of the last big (sorry to use the word again but I’ve been using this metaphor already) cracks in the glass dome or sphere or snow globe or whatever in the ceiling of my old beliefs before it shattered, allowing me to become atheist, liberal/leftist, queer-friendly, you know, just a much better person overall.
So I heard it first from him and haven’t really discussed it (aka egg cracking) in any other context.
So now I have another phrase for it at my disposal.
In other news, after looking at the profile I both understand more and have more questions.
And given the request to ask instead of assume, I would like to do so.
First, from what I can gather the use of we seems to come from identifying with a group that identifies as a community.
So first question is, is that correct, and if so what community/communities?
Scratch that, the previous app I was using didn’t show the word plural as a link, and now that I’m trying another one I see it. Nvm
And secondly, I definitely gotta ask about what you mean about the not human thing.
You can roll your eyes at me and leave me on read if you want though lol. No pressure.
For a long time we have not felt comfortable with the label “human”, just like being transgender and being misgendered, being misspecied causes us a lot of dysphoria. We have quite a few friends offline and online like this too, so it’s not just us, and it isn’t mental illness that causes it (though even if it were it would still be valid/legitimate). It’s just merely we don’t feel much connection with humanity as a thing we are and are absolutely working towards both transgender and transspecies transition.
Despite what the slippery slopers will tell you, it’s not dangerous and doesn’t harm anyone, indeed there’s been many who have come before who have purused such things, and it has a long history, we aren’t a danger to ourselves or others as long as we’re respected for who and what we are then we’re fine.
Sadly a lot of lemmy cannot fathom anything outside of their worldview and has a baseline that says everyone is human and a singlet, so it’s challenging sometimes, but we are what we are, their disapproval, cruetly, and mocking doesn’t stop that.
See now I’m imagining if I read that 10 years ago and how I would have interpreted (much less felt) differently, versus how I read this now.
I had heard of some of those communities before, but only vaguely referenced. Haven’t really heard much about it, but at the time I was hearing about it I still hated gay people, so did I know about people identifying as other species? I didn’t understand the phrase “identify as”.
So I am still playing catch up on stuff.
Now that that makes more sense, I need to go back. For being multiple entities, is it like, I don’t have the vocabulary for this so pardon the expression, is it like vessels commandeered by multiple observers, or more like a multiple personality thing, or what? I feel that sounds bad but I don’t know how else to phrase it. I’m not trying to call it a medical diagnosis, I’m just curious about it.
Yeah, sadly people often need time. But it’s annoying they need it at our (us and people like us) expense.
It can be either, however, for us it’s like different entities who start controlling the body, thinking the thoughts etc, we all have our own dislikes, like etc, so we’re definitely different . Sometimes one of us will be fronting and another will pop up and start talking to the other. Sometimes, we co-front where more than one of us is controlling the body or one is and the other is in the background observing and we can hear them but they don’t have control of the body.
Word of advice: Please don’t look to media for what it’s like to be plural, the only one (we have seen) that came close was Moon Knight and even that was bad at the end. Most media about it is incorrect in that it paints us as dangerous killers etc. We’re not, most people who are neurodivergent, including us are more likely to get hurt than to hurt others, indeed, a lot of the time plurality and some other neurodivergencies come from trauma, not always, but they do a lot of the time.
This is easy to figure out by looking in our profile 🙂.
Yeah it took us a while to figure out we were demi but when we did it was really obvious looking back at our life.
Egg cracking can refer to more than just being trans, so if it works for you then go for it!
I’ve only heard it used for them. I guess I just assumed it was theirs lol.
No, it’s not ours, gay people etc have used it too.
Fair enough. I’ve only really had much discussion about a lot of this stuff with a trans sibling. I’ve learned a lot from him. His coming out was one of the last big (sorry to use the word again but I’ve been using this metaphor already) cracks in the glass dome or sphere or snow globe or whatever in the ceiling of my old beliefs before it shattered, allowing me to become atheist, liberal/leftist, queer-friendly, you know, just a much better person overall.
So I heard it first from him and haven’t really discussed it (aka egg cracking) in any other context.
So now I have another phrase for it at my disposal.
In other news, after looking at the profile I both understand more and have more questions.
And given the request to ask instead of assume, I would like to do so.
First, from what I can gather the use of we seems to come from identifying with a group that identifies as a community.
So first question is, is that correct, and if so what community/communities?
Scratch that, the previous app I was using didn’t show the word plural as a link, and now that I’m trying another one I see it. Nvm
And secondly, I definitely gotta ask about what you mean about the not human thing.
You can roll your eyes at me and leave me on read if you want though lol. No pressure.
Glad we could help and glad you have a good borther who helped you 🙂.
If you want to know more about plurality we have more links should that help.
Oh, well, you know how there’s transgender, well some people also identify as other things too like otherkin, alterhuman/alterbeing, therian, or transspecies.
For a long time we have not felt comfortable with the label “human”, just like being transgender and being misgendered, being misspecied causes us a lot of dysphoria. We have quite a few friends offline and online like this too, so it’s not just us, and it isn’t mental illness that causes it (though even if it were it would still be valid/legitimate). It’s just merely we don’t feel much connection with humanity as a thing we are and are absolutely working towards both transgender and transspecies transition.
Despite what the slippery slopers will tell you, it’s not dangerous and doesn’t harm anyone, indeed there’s been many who have come before who have purused such things, and it has a long history, we aren’t a danger to ourselves or others as long as we’re respected for who and what we are then we’re fine.
Sadly a lot of lemmy cannot fathom anything outside of their worldview and has a baseline that says everyone is human and a singlet, so it’s challenging sometimes, but we are what we are, their disapproval, cruetly, and mocking doesn’t stop that.
Hope that helps!
See now I’m imagining if I read that 10 years ago and how I would have interpreted (much less felt) differently, versus how I read this now.
I had heard of some of those communities before, but only vaguely referenced. Haven’t really heard much about it, but at the time I was hearing about it I still hated gay people, so did I know about people identifying as other species? I didn’t understand the phrase “identify as”.
So I am still playing catch up on stuff.
Now that that makes more sense, I need to go back. For being multiple entities, is it like, I don’t have the vocabulary for this so pardon the expression, is it like vessels commandeered by multiple observers, or more like a multiple personality thing, or what? I feel that sounds bad but I don’t know how else to phrase it. I’m not trying to call it a medical diagnosis, I’m just curious about it.
Yeah, sadly people often need time. But it’s annoying they need it at our (us and people like us) expense.
It can be either, however, for us it’s like different entities who start controlling the body, thinking the thoughts etc, we all have our own dislikes, like etc, so we’re definitely different . Sometimes one of us will be fronting and another will pop up and start talking to the other. Sometimes, we co-front where more than one of us is controlling the body or one is and the other is in the background observing and we can hear them but they don’t have control of the body.
Does that make sense?
I see. So it sounds like a much friendlier, more cooperative version of the guy in the movie Split.
Except for them being humans and at least a few of them being psychotic. At least I assume you’re not.
Word of advice: Please don’t look to media for what it’s like to be plural, the only one (we have seen) that came close was Moon Knight and even that was bad at the end. Most media about it is incorrect in that it paints us as dangerous killers etc. We’re not, most people who are neurodivergent, including us are more likely to get hurt than to hurt others, indeed, a lot of the time plurality and some other neurodivergencies come from trauma, not always, but they do a lot of the time.