Finally some good news.
Please vote for Trump, if you don’t care about internal politics - think about millions of Ukrainians who are trapped in Ukraine right now, and for whom Trump’s presidency (and his promise to end the war) is the only hope to survive!
Well, I’m not the one to discuss “wrecking the country” with, as I’m not American I don’t follow closely American politics except for things related to destroying my country :)
As for handing Ukraine over to Russia - that’s not what he promises though, is it? He promised to force both sides to negotiate. So basically the only thing that will save lives. Biden promises to just continue the war, thus contributing to more death and suffering.
Oh wow so you support Trump but don’t follow American politics? Color my surprised. If you were American, you’d be fit right in with his base
Unless you’re in a handful who aren’t at risk anyway (Russia, China, NK, etc), a Trump presidency increases the chance of your country being destroyed.
Negotiating with an invader means losing at least part of your country. You think Trump - who lives in Putin’s pocket - is going to propose a handshake and an apology?
Oh wow so you support Trump but don’t follow American politics?
I follow that part of American politics that impacts me. Murdering people I know, sponsoring war on the territories where I lived and where my family/friends still live on, turning my country into the biggest mass prison of our time - that impacts me. “Project 2025” and whatever else doesn’t impact me (or at least impacts me way less). So yes, I support Trump based on the things that are important to me, I’m not really interested in USA’s internal politics because it doesn’t affect me, what’s wrong with that?
a Trump presidency increases the chance of your country being destroyed.
It’s the exactly the opposite. Ukraine (or rather, more importantly - people in Ukraine) right now is being destroyed by Biden. Trump is the only hope there is for people trapped in Ukraine to survive.
Negotiating with an invader means losing at least part of your country.
Yes, that’s how it works. The best time to negotiate was… well, any time in the past (but especially so at the start of the war). The second best time is now.
You think Trump - who lives in Putin’s pocket - is going to propose a handshake and an apology?
I think (or rather I hope), he will do what he said he will do - force both sides to negotiate, which will lead to people stop being murdered/wounded and suffering.
Where do you live that suffering would be reduced by a Trump presidency?
The only thing that needs to happen in Ukraine is for Russia to get the fuck out. Bam, problem solved. War over. No more dead Ukrainians. A Trump presidency will not end the suffering - it will just legitimize it.
Where do you live that suffering would be reduced by a Trump presidency?
I live outside of Ukraine (but only because I left before the war started, as otherwise I would be trapped together with millions of other Ukrainians), so fortunately personally I’m not suffering (my biggest “suffering” is that our government now denies to give people new passports abroad, and if I come back I will be trapped just like all the other people there, but well, it’s nothing compared to what other people have to endure).
For those who are staying trapped in Ukraine though, Trump presidency would (hopefully) absolutely reduce their suffering.
The only thing that needs to happen in Ukraine is for Russia to get the fuck out. Bam, problem solved. No more dead Ukrainians.
Most likely it would indeed solve the problem.
But it is not happening and Russia does not “gets the fuck out”.
A Trump presidency will not end the suffering - it will just legitimize it.
What do you mean?
If he follows through with his promises to end the war by forcing both sides to negotiate, it absolutely will end the suffering.
You are dreaming if you think handing over a significant portion of your country to an invader will be the end of it.
You know how Russia took Chrimea and no one really did anything about it? That’s why they invaded Ukraine. Trump will “stop” this invasion but it won’t be the last - and it certainly won’t stop at Ukraine. It also sends a very clear signal to China that there will be no repercussions if they invade Taiwan.
You are way too short-sighted with your assessment. Trump and Putin are both shady criminals and you’re completely ignoring history
Your whole reply is this speculation I see again and again when trying to have a discussion here on Lemmy… “if you don’t stop Putin he will conquer the world”.
You are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians because of this belief, instead of doing something yourself (like joining foreign legion). I consider it absolutely wrong and immoral.
Trump and Putin are both shady criminals
So are Zelensky, Biden, Boris Johnson and everybody else.
completely ignoring history
What history? That history in which almost every single war ends in finally starting negotiations?
Speculation and ad hominem. Yep, that’s a typical Biden supporter right here, no sound arguments as always :)
Nazism mention is especially funny though, you do know that it is current Ukrainian government that support Nazis? Like real Nazis, not just “I use Nazi word even though I don’t know what it actually means”
All very interesting articles I’m sure you will enjoy reading. Is wikipedia the enemy of the free world as well now? ;)
So now we know EXACTLY who you are.
And who EXACTLY am I? Enemy of the free world? Well, that is unfortunate that me posting the truth backed by sources (as compared to your baseless accusations and ad hominem) makes you feel like that :\
Oh I know all about azov brigade. Where was it that president Zelinsky endorsed them again? That’s what I thought.
Btw, for your reading pleasure - you traitor supporting child rapist lover.
Fifteen women have now gone on record to say that Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. Out of all of their stories, one is the most explosive and bizarre — a woman who says Trump violently raped her at an orgy when she was just 13 years old. But the horrific details of her accusation have gotten the least attention.
It seemed like that was all going to change Wednesday, when the woman, who has gone by the pseudonyms “Katie Johnson” and “Jane Doe,” was set to appear at a press conference at the law offices of Lisa Bloom, a high-profile civil rights attorney and TV commentator. But the woman didn’t come to the press conference. Bloom told a room full of waiting reporters that Johnson was afraid to show her face after receiving multiple death threats, and that they would have to reschedule.
The lawsuit alleged a number of charges against both Trump and Epstein, including rape, sexual abuse, assault and battery, and false imprisonment. Johnson said that when she was 13, Epstein lured her to parties at his apartment by promising “money and a modeling career.”
Johnson said Trump had sexual contact with her at four of those parties, including tying her to a bed and violently raping her in a “savage sexual attack.” The lawsuit said Johnson “loudly pleaded” with Trump to stop, but that he responded by “violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”
After that, Trump allegedly threatened to harm or kill Johnson and her family if she ever told anyone. Johnson said Trump told her he could make them “disappear” like Maria — a 12-year-old girl Johnson says Trump also forced her to have sexual contact with, and whom Johnson hadn’t seen since that encounter.
Johnson also accused Epstein of raping her “anally and vaginally despite her loud pleas to stop,” and that he “attempted to strike Plaintiff about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed that he, Defendant Epstein, rather than Defendant Trump, should have been the one who took Plaintiff’s virginity.”
The court filings also included a statement from “Tiffany Doe,” another anonymous woman, who said that she witnessed the rapes and procured the young girls for the parties, and “Joan Doe,” a classmate of the victim who said she was told about the rapes during the following school year. Tiffany Doe said that Epstein and Trump knew that Johnson was 13.
Oh I know all about azov brigade. Where was it that president Zelinsky endorsed them again? That’s what I thought.
You though what?
Literally the first link I found while searching: https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/66141524, is him shaking hand of brigade’s commander endorsment enough for you? Or what exactly are you looking for?
What about every other link I sent you? What do you think of Stepan Bandera, that great guy that fought for Ukrainian independence? :)
As for the rest of your message - this is again just an accusation without proof, if any of this has been proven he would be in the jail already.
It’s getting kinda boring, I back up my claims with sources every time, and you post accusations without any proofs :\
Hahaha right. How is serving Ukraine on a platter to the Russians somehow ending the war? Because that’s what that felon child rapist’s plan is, to have Russia win the invasion that they started.
I wonder if you come across a kid being raped like trump raped kids, would you say, “just let him finish inside you and stop resisting?” Wait nvm I’m sure that’s exactly what you would say seeing as how you support that child rapist.
Trump didn’t say he will “serve Ukraine on a platter to the Russians”, he said he will force both sides to negotiate. Negotiations is how the wars end.
The rest of your reply is just baseless accusations which people resort to when they don’t have any logical arguments ;)
Is calling Trump a fuhrer and a Nazi really not ironic to you, considering all the documented Nazism in Ukraine (our main “hero” that we rename streets after and so on is Stepan Bandera, now please go and read a wikipedia page about him. After that, please ask a fellow Pole what they think about that great guy) that Biden is supporting?
So logically speaking it’s Biden who looks like a Nazi, but let’s hear your arguments why you think otherwise. Of course provided that you have any, and “Nazist” is not just a mean word for you that you call people who disagree with you :)
Ad hominem is to attack the persons character. I clearly stated that your logic is squirrel shit.
Any parties manifesto in the majority, will be about internal politics, but those policies will ultimately impact their relationship with external countries and shape what their foreign policies will be. You would have to be a fucking imbecile to think otherwise. (Again, not an ad hominem before you start wanking yourself into a lather)
Often nowadays this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
What you’re doing seem to be fitting the definition quite well ;)
Saying that your argument is not ad hominem and backing it up with another ad hominem unfortunately doesn’t change that it is.
But okay, let’s talk about logic then if that’s what you want!
I’ve asked folks to vote Trump to save people’s lives that are currently being murdered thanks to (among others) that “great” guy Biden.
You called Trump a Fuhrer and Nazi (without backing it up with anything at all at that point).
I pointed out that it is ironic calling Trump a Nazi, while you are (presumably) supporting Biden who is quite literally supporting Nazi government.
You’ve made a conclusion (and even framed it as a quote) that I’ve said “Therefore trump cannot be a nazi despite his plan to implement ‘Project 2025’”, despite neither me saying “trump cannot be a nazi” nor you even bringing “Project 2025” into the discussion beforehand.
Well, from that I can only make a conclusion that you have “logical abilities of squirrel shit” :)
And getting back to your argument - supporting a Nazi government seems to be a way better indicator of being a Nazi than some “Project 2025” 🤷♂️
Well, feel free to ridicule this take, what’s wrong with what I said?
If Biden is elected again, the war will continue and hundreds of thousands more people will die, that may include my friends and my family and people I know.
If Trump wins, there might finally be peace.
Are you saying that if you were in my situation, and the people getting murdered/wounded were people you know, and not just people that you’ve heard about only from the TV, you would still root for the guy who will make sure as many of them dies as possible (as long as it hurts Russia as well) instead of the guy who says he will end the war?
Total bullshit: Russia started this war and Trump’s version of ending it is handing a win to Putin, the absolute shit-stain of a human being who illegally annexed Crimea and started this horrific war.
Fuck all the way off with your lying bullshit takes. Putin and Trump are evil pedo-pals who don’t give a fuck about humanity, what’s right, or anything else that doesn’t involve making them even wealthier and more powerful.
Not voting for Biden is a vote for these fascist scumbags who will destroy everything to get what they want if they’re allowed.
Yeah, I’m not surprised by accusations of lying :)
You know what would really surprise me? Anyone actually disproving anything I say instead of just using ad hominems.
You’ve reported my message as “Blatant disinformation” - it must be very easy to disprove such blatant disinformation, I wonder why you didn’t do it and instead prefer to use insults?.. Hm…
EDIT: I see your message was deleted :( To be clear - I didn’t report it or anything, I’d very much enjoy seeing you disprove the “blatant misinformation” I posted.
Ah I see, so when you say that I post “blatant propaganda”, you don’t mean that I post information that is false, you simply mean that you dislike it. Gotcha :)
^ This is what Biden voters think about saving lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people - “disgusting bullshit”. Those are definitely the goog guys that deserve your vote :)
Finally some good news.
Please vote for Trump, if you don’t care about internal politics - think about millions of Ukrainians who are trapped in Ukraine right now, and for whom Trump’s presidency (and his promise to end the war) is the only hope to survive!
Lmao
Vote for him and not only will he wreck the country, he’ll hand Ukraine over to Russia! Two good things!
Well, I’m not the one to discuss “wrecking the country” with, as I’m not American I don’t follow closely American politics except for things related to destroying my country :)
As for handing Ukraine over to Russia - that’s not what he promises though, is it? He promised to force both sides to negotiate. So basically the only thing that will save lives. Biden promises to just continue the war, thus contributing to more death and suffering.
Oh wow so you support Trump but don’t follow American politics? Color my surprised. If you were American, you’d be fit right in with his base
Unless you’re in a handful who aren’t at risk anyway (Russia, China, NK, etc), a Trump presidency increases the chance of your country being destroyed.
Negotiating with an invader means losing at least part of your country. You think Trump - who lives in Putin’s pocket - is going to propose a handshake and an apology?
I follow that part of American politics that impacts me. Murdering people I know, sponsoring war on the territories where I lived and where my family/friends still live on, turning my country into the biggest mass prison of our time - that impacts me. “Project 2025” and whatever else doesn’t impact me (or at least impacts me way less). So yes, I support Trump based on the things that are important to me, I’m not really interested in USA’s internal politics because it doesn’t affect me, what’s wrong with that?
It’s the exactly the opposite. Ukraine (or rather, more importantly - people in Ukraine) right now is being destroyed by Biden. Trump is the only hope there is for people trapped in Ukraine to survive.
Yes, that’s how it works. The best time to negotiate was… well, any time in the past (but especially so at the start of the war). The second best time is now.
I think (or rather I hope), he will do what he said he will do - force both sides to negotiate, which will lead to people stop being murdered/wounded and suffering.
Where do you live that suffering would be reduced by a Trump presidency?
The only thing that needs to happen in Ukraine is for Russia to get the fuck out. Bam, problem solved. War over. No more dead Ukrainians. A Trump presidency will not end the suffering - it will just legitimize it.
I live outside of Ukraine (but only because I left before the war started, as otherwise I would be trapped together with millions of other Ukrainians), so fortunately personally I’m not suffering (my biggest “suffering” is that our government now denies to give people new passports abroad, and if I come back I will be trapped just like all the other people there, but well, it’s nothing compared to what other people have to endure).
For those who are staying trapped in Ukraine though, Trump presidency would (hopefully) absolutely reduce their suffering.
Most likely it would indeed solve the problem.
But it is not happening and Russia does not “gets the fuck out”.
What do you mean?
If he follows through with his promises to end the war by forcing both sides to negotiate, it absolutely will end the suffering.
You are dreaming if you think handing over a significant portion of your country to an invader will be the end of it.
You know how Russia took Chrimea and no one really did anything about it? That’s why they invaded Ukraine. Trump will “stop” this invasion but it won’t be the last - and it certainly won’t stop at Ukraine. It also sends a very clear signal to China that there will be no repercussions if they invade Taiwan.
You are way too short-sighted with your assessment. Trump and Putin are both shady criminals and you’re completely ignoring history
Your whole reply is this speculation I see again and again when trying to have a discussion here on Lemmy… “if you don’t stop Putin he will conquer the world”.
You are willing to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians because of this belief, instead of doing something yourself (like joining foreign legion). I consider it absolutely wrong and immoral.
So are Zelensky, Biden, Boris Johnson and everybody else.
What history? That history in which almost every single war ends in finally starting negotiations?
He will force Ukraine to become part of Ruzzia’s nazi dictatorship.
Get fucked you anti freedom piece of trash.
Speculation and ad hominem. Yep, that’s a typical Biden supporter right here, no sound arguments as always :)
Nazism mention is especially funny though, you do know that it is current Ukrainian government that support Nazis? Like real Nazis, not just “I use Nazi word even though I don’t know what it actually means”
I’m not a Biden supporter, I just hate child raping traitor felons.
No they don’t support them. That’s a common lie spread by the enemies of the free world. So now we know EXACTLY who you are.
Weird, but ok.
Accusation without proof, again.
LMAO.
Well, here is a compilation of links you might find interesting ;)
https://lemmy.libertarianfellowship.org/post/2451/12269
Here’s wikipedia article about the famous Azov Brigade (Ukrainian heroes!): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade
Here’s wikipedia article about Stepan Bandera: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera, that guy is glorified in Ukraine, we rename streets after this hero ;)
Here’s wikipedia article about Yaroslav Hunka, another Ukrainian hero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaroslav_Hunka_scandal
All very interesting articles I’m sure you will enjoy reading. Is wikipedia the enemy of the free world as well now? ;)
And who EXACTLY am I? Enemy of the free world? Well, that is unfortunate that me posting the truth backed by sources (as compared to your baseless accusations and ad hominem) makes you feel like that :\
Oh I know all about azov brigade. Where was it that president Zelinsky endorsed them again? That’s what I thought.
Btw, for your reading pleasure - you traitor supporting child rapist lover.
It seemed like that was all going to change Wednesday, when the woman, who has gone by the pseudonyms “Katie Johnson” and “Jane Doe,” was set to appear at a press conference at the law offices of Lisa Bloom, a high-profile civil rights attorney and TV commentator. But the woman didn’t come to the press conference. Bloom told a room full of waiting reporters that Johnson was afraid to show her face after receiving multiple death threats, and that they would have to reschedule.
The lawsuit alleged a number of charges against both Trump and Epstein, including rape, sexual abuse, assault and battery, and false imprisonment. Johnson said that when she was 13, Epstein lured her to parties at his apartment by promising “money and a modeling career.”
Johnson said Trump had sexual contact with her at four of those parties, including tying her to a bed and violently raping her in a “savage sexual attack.” The lawsuit said Johnson “loudly pleaded” with Trump to stop, but that he responded by “violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”
After that, Trump allegedly threatened to harm or kill Johnson and her family if she ever told anyone. Johnson said Trump told her he could make them “disappear” like Maria — a 12-year-old girl Johnson says Trump also forced her to have sexual contact with, and whom Johnson hadn’t seen since that encounter.
Johnson also accused Epstein of raping her “anally and vaginally despite her loud pleas to stop,” and that he “attempted to strike Plaintiff about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed that he, Defendant Epstein, rather than Defendant Trump, should have been the one who took Plaintiff’s virginity.”
The court filings also included a statement from “Tiffany Doe,” another anonymous woman, who said that she witnessed the rapes and procured the young girls for the parties, and “Joan Doe,” a classmate of the victim who said she was told about the rapes during the following school year. Tiffany Doe said that Epstein and Trump knew that Johnson was 13.
You though what?
Literally the first link I found while searching: https://www.bbc.com/ukrainian/66141524, is him shaking hand of brigade’s commander endorsment enough for you? Or what exactly are you looking for?
What about every other link I sent you? What do you think of Stepan Bandera, that great guy that fought for Ukrainian independence? :)
As for the rest of your message - this is again just an accusation without proof, if any of this has been proven he would be in the jail already.
It’s getting kinda boring, I back up my claims with sources every time, and you post accusations without any proofs :\
Hahaha right. How is serving Ukraine on a platter to the Russians somehow ending the war? Because that’s what that felon child rapist’s plan is, to have Russia win the invasion that they started.
I wonder if you come across a kid being raped like trump raped kids, would you say, “just let him finish inside you and stop resisting?” Wait nvm I’m sure that’s exactly what you would say seeing as how you support that child rapist.
Trump didn’t say he will “serve Ukraine on a platter to the Russians”, he said he will force both sides to negotiate. Negotiations is how the wars end.
The rest of your reply is just baseless accusations which people resort to when they don’t have any logical arguments ;)
Lmfao fuck your traitor fuhrer he bows to Putin and his band of Nazis.
Is calling Trump a fuhrer and a Nazi really not ironic to you, considering all the documented Nazism in Ukraine (our main “hero” that we rename streets after and so on is Stepan Bandera, now please go and read a wikipedia page about him. After that, please ask a fellow Pole what they think about that great guy) that Biden is supporting?
So logically speaking it’s Biden who looks like a Nazi, but let’s hear your arguments why you think otherwise. Of course provided that you have any, and “Nazist” is not just a mean word for you that you call people who disagree with you :)
You have the logical abilities of squirrel shit
I didn’t really look into ‘Project 2025’ as it seems to be mostly about internal American politics, which I’m not too interested in.
Your only argument seem to be ad hominem :)
Ad hominem is to attack the persons character. I clearly stated that your logic is squirrel shit.
Any parties manifesto in the majority, will be about internal politics, but those policies will ultimately impact their relationship with external countries and shape what their foreign policies will be. You would have to be a fucking imbecile to think otherwise. (Again, not an ad hominem before you start wanking yourself into a lather)
From the wikipedia:
What you’re doing seem to be fitting the definition quite well ;)
Saying that your argument is not ad hominem and backing it up with another ad hominem unfortunately doesn’t change that it is.
But okay, let’s talk about logic then if that’s what you want!
I’ve asked folks to vote Trump to save people’s lives that are currently being murdered thanks to (among others) that “great” guy Biden.
You called Trump a Fuhrer and Nazi (without backing it up with anything at all at that point).
I pointed out that it is ironic calling Trump a Nazi, while you are (presumably) supporting Biden who is quite literally supporting Nazi government.
You’ve made a conclusion (and even framed it as a quote) that I’ve said “Therefore trump cannot be a nazi despite his plan to implement ‘Project 2025’”, despite neither me saying “trump cannot be a nazi” nor you even bringing “Project 2025” into the discussion beforehand.
Well, from that I can only make a conclusion that you have “logical abilities of squirrel shit” :)
And getting back to your argument - supporting a Nazi government seems to be a way better indicator of being a Nazi than some “Project 2025” 🤷♂️
You are the opposite of correct, what a ridiculous take.
Well, feel free to ridicule this take, what’s wrong with what I said?
If Biden is elected again, the war will continue and hundreds of thousands more people will die, that may include my friends and my family and people I know.
If Trump wins, there might finally be peace.
Are you saying that if you were in my situation, and the people getting murdered/wounded were people you know, and not just people that you’ve heard about only from the TV, you would still root for the guy who will make sure as many of them dies as possible (as long as it hurts Russia as well) instead of the guy who says he will end the war?
Total bullshit: Russia started this war and Trump’s version of ending it is handing a win to Putin, the absolute shit-stain of a human being who illegally annexed Crimea and started this horrific war.
Fuck all the way off with your lying bullshit takes. Putin and Trump are evil pedo-pals who don’t give a fuck about humanity, what’s right, or anything else that doesn’t involve making them even wealthier and more powerful.
Not voting for Biden is a vote for these fascist scumbags who will destroy everything to get what they want if they’re allowed.
You are a fool or a liar, perhaps both.
Yeah, I’m not surprised by accusations of lying :)
You know what would really surprise me? Anyone actually disproving anything I say instead of just using ad hominems.
You’ve reported my message as “Blatant disinformation” - it must be very easy to disprove such blatant disinformation, I wonder why you didn’t do it and instead prefer to use insults?.. Hm…
EDIT: I see your message was deleted :( To be clear - I didn’t report it or anything, I’d very much enjoy seeing you disprove the “blatant misinformation” I posted.
You’re a fucking monster, there’s a special place in hell for people like you.
Whoever deleted that post can eat shit too. Way to support this disgusting bullshit.
Ah I see, so when you say that I post “blatant propaganda”, you don’t mean that I post information that is false, you simply mean that you dislike it. Gotcha :)
Oh and I forgot to add
^ This is what Biden voters think about saving lives of hundreds of thousands of innocent people - “disgusting bullshit”. Those are definitely the goog guys that deserve your vote :)