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Adam Kadmon@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Not sure how the girl's skin tone is relevant, but apart from that...

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Not sure how the girl's skin tone is relevant, but apart from that...

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Adam Kadmon@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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  • Vitaly@feddit.uk
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    2 years ago

    Facts, I hate communism

    • TheFriendlyDickhead@lemm.ee
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      Communism as a concept is a brilliant thing. The problem is that in the past it never worked the way it was intended, but managed to cause a lot of harm.

      The problem is that the 14 year old white girl here still thinks with all her heart that countries like China are communist and in generall the perfect place to be, which is just not true.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        This is a silly argument because actual real world communism has to be compared to other real world alternative we have available which is capitalism. By every measure capitalism has created far more horrors than communism has.

  • spacesweedkid27 @lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    2 things:

    1. The victors write history

    2. After Lenin the USSR was not really communist anymore but more really a totalitarian state that didn’t believe in the values of communism. Just like China.

    Everything would probably have been better if Lenin didn’t die so fast and then Trotsky would have ruled.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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      Trotsky would have ruled.

      Mask off trot lmao

      • idiomaddict@feddit.de
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        To be clear, the alternative here is Stalin. There are like only five people who would be worse choices

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    What people who lived in the Soviet union and other socialist states have to say:

    • A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country’s economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country’s switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary’s integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

    • The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

    • Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an “illegitimate state.” In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

    • A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -“during the time of socialism”. The survey focused on the respondents’ views on the transition “from socialism to capitalism”, and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito’s rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as “more or less the same”. 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

    • 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

    • Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u

    • Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

    This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

    • https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&amp%3Blogin=false
  • empireOfLove@lemmy.one
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    2 years ago

    Heeeeere comes the hexbear brigade!

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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      God all you people do is whine that you might have to see some anti-imperialist positions. I know you all come from reddit so you’re not used to seeing those.

      Why not just go back to reddit, where they protect you from ever having to see any non-pro-west foreign-policy positions?

  • duderium [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Why is it that people living in former Soviet states overwhelmingly wish that the USSR was still around?

    • Zastyion345@lemmy.ml
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      I live in former ussr state, 90% of those people are very old, and as to why ? Nostalgia. They always overlook the bad and only bring up the good.

      • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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        Have you considered there are other reasons besides nostalgia? Like the massive life expectancy and qol collapse under capitalism?

        https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/32fb41e8-a5d4-41c0-9001-b3103bb43898.png

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          reasons besides nostalgia

          Oh yea, like if you are religious you are a threat to the state and therefore you are unfit for basically any leading role, or your property might be confiscated and you might be sent of to Siberia ?

          Lines for food namely bread and if the stars aligned meat.

          Big amount of corruption ?

          Mandatory conscription to the military (and the corruption there too) ?

          Iron curtain ?

          Free speech and freedom of expression ?

          And much more. That my parents had to live trough/knew that happened to others, information on a graph can only tell you so much. I am my self Atheist, although I do believe there might be higher being, so I do not blame others for believing in them, but as a normal human being I hate when religion is pushed to my face. I also believe there needs to be government regulation to big businesses and love some of the things that are in socialism.

          massive life expectancy

          I don’t know much about life expectancy in the USSR, can you maybe link some sources, articles I would love to read up on it.

          qol collapse under capitalism

          Not familiar with “qol” can you explain a bit further ? If you mean quality of life, then I feel, at least for my parents it has improved massively.

          Edit: Formatting errors.

          • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]@hexbear.net
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            Life expectancy https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/s41294-021-00169-w

            Oh yea, like if you are religious you are a threat to the state and therefore you are unfit for basically any leading role, or your property might be confiscated and you might be sent of to Siberia ?

            Anti religion is needlessly antagonistic but also wasn’t enforced like you are suggesting: https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1920/11/13.htm

            Lines for food namely bread and if the stars aligned meat.

            According to the anti-communist cia their nutrition was in many ways better

            https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP85M00363R000601440024-5.pdf

            Also breadlines are common under capitalism.

            Big amount of corruption ?

            Yes, theft from the public has definitely decreased since the the collapse. /s

            Mandatory conscription to the military (and the corruption there too) ?

            There are plenty of countries that do that after they lose around 20 percent of their population in a brutal war. Like Vietnam, for example.

            Iron curtain ?

            You mean the one the west put up? https://news.stanford.edu/2019/12/26/stalin-not-want-iron-curtain-descend/

            Free speech and freedom of expression ?

            Western countries have more sophisticated censorship and media apparatuses I give you that. Speak out in a real way though and look what happens to people like Fred Hampton.

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              I looked at some of the figures in the article most of them see slight improvement and the conclusion pretty much backs up my point of it not being worse but slightly better.

              Life expectancy gains have been large and rapid, and life expectancy for both men and women reached its highest level in Russia’s history in 2019.

              To the rest of your responses/points, it is somewhat tiering to respond to all of them with a formulated response, so I will ask do you know someone that lived in a former USSR state ? If your answer is no then as I said, statistics and Graphs can get you only so far, what my parents know and my grandparents know but won’t admit out of pride is that USSR sucked, our current system sucks somewhat too but at least I’m not forced to worship the state, can speak freely like you are doing right now, attend a pride parade or KSČM (Communist party in Czechia) parade, and cast my vote in an election.

              And so you know, who is voting for politicians that steal from the people ? The same old people who wish USSR was back, my grandparents vote for a party that promises Socialist democracy (SMER-SD) and only thing they have done is steal from the people. Like with the faults of communism/socialism/USSR they ignore scandals and the stealing from SMER.

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    This is more accurate: Online discussion about capitalism

    People living in a third world capitalist country

    14-year-old white boy living in a Western country: I know more than you

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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      Spot on.

      These are the kids (OP included) calling you a tankie online:

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    14 year old white girl

    Bravo they managed to also cram ageism and misogyny in the old “champagne socialism” meme. All in the single sentence.

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