netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet
May the entity crumble.
This is HORRIBLE! WHY can’t Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!
Ikr? Also if you’re against Israel bombing hospitals full of children you’re anti semetic! /s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOS1s7982Mc live, some rockets coming in
This seems like a big deal
Thanks, Bibi.
I hope it killed a lot of evil people
Unfortunately, i think the most unhinged zionazis are hiding in Europe.
Specifically, in germany
Something something inhuman shields something something
last time they were aiming for the mossad and military bases, resulting in zero civilian deaths, which Israel celebrate as a faliure because they only consider civilian deaths as the success metric.
Mashallah
Any Israeli war criminals of consequence have probably left for their summer home in Florida 2 days ago.
LGBT! 🌈🌟 🎉
what?
wow so sad, it’s almost like they started multiple wars or something
I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.
Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you’re a settler you’re a valid target no matter what!
Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.
Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.
Israelis aren’t walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.
Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.
As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn’t be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Hope you’re acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.
No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.
Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.
I believe it’s the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.
Zionists are the one and only antisemites.
Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.
But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn’t exist.
There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.
“Zionists are mostly Jews” is an objectively false statement.
Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that’s only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.
Zionist are not jews. They might say they are but the are against Judaism just like southern Christians are not Christians.
Hope you’re acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.
It doesn’t matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You’re still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.
And the objective of any just war is to expel you.
Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Get on a plane and go home. No one’s stopping you. That’s your opportunity.
How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
I swear this “settler” discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.
How can you call me a robber just because I accepted all of these stolen goods that were stolen specifically for me to have?
Shut the fuck up holy god
Good. Go crazy. Shut the fuck up.
Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
If you join the IDF yes it fucking is. And why are you acting like this is something that happened at the dawn of history? These are not people who were born there. These are people who settled there because they were told they could murder people and steal their homes. Stop making ahistoric excuses for fucking fascists, you fucking fascist piece of shit.
In no way to be a snob, but could we tone it down? After all, we’re mostly on the same page on that the state of Israel is committing war crimes, we only differ in who we blame for it.
Back to the substance:
First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there; they are not the same people who came to displace Palestinians all those decades ago.
Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.
Third, in your robber hypothetical, where are the Israeli civilians? Do they have to renounce their citizenship and go live abroad not to receive “stolen goods”? Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not “robbers” here.
I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.
Just a reminder: 82% of all the Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Just saying.
It feels like there’s reason to inflate those numbers both for Israel and Palestine. Do we know they’re credible? Genuinely asking, I’m not sure from my cursory searx.
Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.
every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?
RIGHT?
If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.
Well I’m glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.
The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.
Doesn’t the majority of Americans agree with Trump’s immigration policy as well? Guess if the approval rating is > 50% we should just allow anyone to bomb the everliving shit out of any civilian no matter of their political view?
I’m in no fucking way in support for Israel, fuck them and the people supporting their actions, but I am also 100% against killing civilians anywhere. Not in Israel, not in Russia, not in Iran, not in Gaza.
The normalization of accepting civilian casualties because they belong to the “enemy” state is a fucking disgusting mindset we all need to get rid off as soon as possible.
The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant’s on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation “pre emptively” get bombed back.
Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.
By that logic you could say that because there is an overwhelming support for outlawing LGBTQ rights in Iran and Gaza, Israel is fine with commiting their genocide because fuck anyone who wants to imprison or kill LGBTQ people, am I right?
Just stop fucking killing civilians, or cheer for the death of civilians, it’s never morally correct. It’s an act of terror, and any regime doing it should be classified as a terrorist regime.
Just to be clear, I am FINE, no, I even SUPPORT retaliatory strikes on Israel, but do it on military targets FFS. Bomb the everliving fuck out of Israel, but don’t target civilians, there are plenty of tactical targets to choose from.
I mean if a candidate is the “Hello, I am literally hitler” candidate and you vote for them, maybe you’re fucked in the head?
The rest would do the same.
As they always have proven their enire miserable history.
Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdogs tactics of dammage controlBlaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.
You’re suggesting well “what about a hypothetical government that doesn’t exist huh?”. That doesn’t matter. They don’t exist. Blame the government
Israel didn’t become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It’s has been since its founding.
You’re suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn’t matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.
Every government before him was the same, they’re not ‘hypothetical’. Ridiculous argument.
What doesn’t exist is a reality where the next government isn’t brutally mistreating Palestine.
Your hasbara is weakFirst let’s settle one thing, Israel has no right to exist. I’m against assuming 100% of the populace is all for the genocide. The majority government and their supporters clearly are.
The apartheid state of Israel needs to end. The genocide needs to be stopped by any means, except a genocide in return.
The entire majority government and their supporters can hang.
I’m not going to condem the rest for a “thought” crime they didn’t commit. Maybe they would have done the same thing, maybe not.
I hope you are being naive.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/9/poll-53-israelis-support-extrajudicial-killings.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-half-of-jewish-israelis-say-israel-should-run-gaza-after-the-war-0-say-hamas/Plenty of jews outside the apartheid state are against it.
Those that live there, wether bcs of propaganda or a superiority complex don’t.
Maybe 5 to 10% maximum have normal views.
You know what they say about people trying the same thing and expecting different results.
I don’t. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I’ve seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.
Shouldn’t be a citizen on stolen land.
USAmericans sweating rn 😬
Us next!
Manifest destiny said the US land is all ours. Also Hawaii. Divine right mandated by God, so…
/s
Don’t think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planetThe reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They’re part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.
If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it’s coming for them too.
It’s also a geographically beneficial located proxy.
This belief that Israel is a US controlled proxy has always vexed me.
So-- honest question here-- From inside the US it appears that our entire political apparatus is controlled by a relatively small sprinkling of zionists doing whatever is good for Israel and is inevitably bad for the US-- going all the way back to the Nakba. But theres always people (like yourself) on Lemmy and Reddit claiming Israel is a US creature under US control for US gain.As an American my free speech ends and I get prosecuted if I say anything anti semitic. I CAN say racist things about anyone else, all I want as long as I dont start a riot.
Can you tell me why you are so certain zionism is controlled by the US (your understanding), not the US by rich zionists (my understanding)?
But they didn’t have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?
We can’t dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.
Every land is stolen. The problem is that they’re in the middle of committing genocide.
Not ‘every’ land but I get the point.
Still it doesn’t compare and there’s no excuse.
In this case the colonising is still going on, hence the genocide.
They are not ‘citizens’ but colonisers.
They deserve all they get, what they don’t deserve is sympathy.I would disagree. If you go back far enough, every land has been stolen. There is probably no piece of land that hasn’t been held by multiple different groups over time.
I’d also argue a government existing at all is stolen land. What gives them the right to the land, instead of the people using it as they want? At some point someone decided the land was theirs, and not someone else’s, and decided they could sell, lend, or use the land as they want, even if someone else also wanted to use it.
Someone made the same point so answered this already to show it is an invalid argument in the case of Palestine.
Link?
Before colonialism, empires would conquer lands and then just make the people who already live there into their subjects.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren’t really organized enough to steal land (and weren’t embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They’d just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren’t really organized enough to steal land (and weren’t embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They’d just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
Yeah, that’s my point. At one point in time land wasn’t something owned, just something utilized. The fact that governments exert control over them implies they were stolen, as it prevents some people from utilizing it. See: Proudhon - What is Property?
What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?
All
What they can’t do some wars and genocide now???
May God help the righteous against the murderous, colonizing tyrants.
Good thing God isn’t real.
Zionists certainly don’t believe they’ll ever meet Him and be judged for their actions, that’s for sure!
Are you retarded? God’s a fucking bedtime story for children. You’re gonna die. You won’t exist anymore. Get ready. But it also doesn’t really matter because you won’t care (because you will be dead) 👍
Whatever helps you sleep at night (as long as you keep it moral).
As the Iranians are shouting currently:
“Allahu Akbar!”
I think that is an Arabic phrase. They speek Persian/Farsi
It’s a widespread Islamic phrase but yes it stems from Arabic it means “God is greatest” and is often chanted in celebrations in Iran (and anywhere else with high Islamic influence)
Many Muslims will use Arabic for certain religious/symbolic purposes regardless of native language as the Quran was revealed in Arabic so it holds special purpose and unites the global Islamic community as they all can understand such phrases no matter where they live/which language they speak.
As I posted the above comment there were reports of Iranians shouting it to each other from the rooftops and thousands taking to the streets in groups to chant it despite the threat of Israeli attacks to celebrate Irans successful retaliation.
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No one is arguing a concept.
Higher quality video of the impact: https://files.catbox.moe/aq8vmw.mp4
