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The shooting took place late Wednesday outside the Capital Jewish Museum, which was hosting an American Jewish Committee event at the time of the incident.
US Secretary of Homeland Security Kristi Noem announced the deaths in an X post, saying, “We are actively investigating and working to get more information to share.”
The suspect, identified as 30-year-old Elias Rodriquez of Chicago, Illinois, “chanted 'Free, free Palestine,’ while in custody,” she added.
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“I am fighting an enemy squad who is known for beheading children, but I don’t know which one of them slits throats, so I chose to simply not shoot any of them”
The man who got shot had an active Twitter account. Very stand-up guy. Such a shame he got killed.
a innocent fella, such a tragedy 😔 anyways…
Won’t find me weeping for an active defender of genocide being put in the cemetary.
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I mean he’s still a civilian and it it’s still murder but yeah hard to feel sad about it
He served in the IDF for three years before his current role. Now he worked diplomatically for the Apartheid to aid in ethnically cleansing all Palestinians.
It is truly terrible that this person who dedicated his life to dispossessing and murdering Palestinians was killed.
Literally the opposite of what I said. How do you go from ‘hard to feel sad about it’ to ‘ it’s truly terrible’?
Well he was but a simple innocent civilian enthousiastically participating in the genocide if all Palestinians. Killing such an innocent person is inexcusable.
? Who said he was innocent
Was he a civilian who was murdered or was he an active participant in a brutal mass murder of Palestinian women children and men, covered by countries which are participants in the genocide?
Anyways, the second amendment exists to combat tyranny.
He is by definition a civilian that was murdered. Legal definitions do not care about our political opinions. It appears to be very likely he was a civilian who deserved to be murdered but that does not change the definition
Anyways, the second amendment exists to combat tyranny.
Just want to step in here and say that no interpretation of the second would cover a civilian killing a foreign diplomat, no matter how tyrannical 😂
“You don’t understand, the people working on the Death Star just had a job to do and to follow its orders. It’s not any one of their fault that it blew up planets. RIP the brave workers on the Death Star I and Death Star II.”
Good point, and a perfect centrist take (not that I’m accusing you of being centrist). They should have a centrist viewing and commentary of the whole star wars series. Like mystery science theatre 3000.
Sounds like you struggle to read.
May I suggest your local library and some Goosebumps books to get you started? Work your way up from there.
Hey Goosebumps are great
Do you struggle with understanding sarcasm through text?
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Adventurism sets back this movement of ours. This is what a revolutionary spirit without theory to back it up does. ADL is already using this as casus belli to silence pro-Palestine voices. CIA and Mossad are popping champagne bottles as we speak. And all they lost were two ultimately expendable Zionist bureaucrats. This is a fucking disaster.
From where has it been set back?
At the most immediate level, law enforcement presence will be increased in the DC area. Indirectly, this will further propagate the rhetoric of the Israeli state that antizionism is antisemitism. They’re already trying to spin this guy as a raging antisemite.
That is very much not what you were asked
so the solution is doing nothing instead? because they are already cracking down on (and ignoring) peaceful protests.
and while i don’t believe in adventurism either: their violence is their fault, not ours.
Let me give you a hypothetical. Imagine that these murders happened just as they did. But now imagine that Palestine was not brought up. The guy just stayed silent. The 2 Zionists are dead all the same, but there is plausible deniability that this was not done in the name of Palestine. Like I’m saying, there is a more effective way to crash out, if you are going to crash out. Furthermore, you shouldn’t be crashing out on an individual level! When will we have it sink in that there is no individual solution to systemic issues? Organize!
Learn from your enemy. Many Israeli officials still claim to this day is denying the genocide. It’s not because they think you’ll believe it. It’s about plausible deniability.
still a net positive.
The death of 2 shitbags comes at the inconvenience of many more revolutionary voices. I predict it will not be. Because this was not a revolutionary act. This was adventurism.
not really. these revolutionary voices will be (and are) silenced anyway as soon as they represent any danger. the palestine thing is incidentally a great example.
adventurism won’t save us, but it isnt hurting in this case. small net positive.
Not an answer to the question I asked.
It would be if mass repression was not already in place from peaceful nonviolent protests.
Cause and effect are being swapped around.
You think there’s no other place to go from here? Foreign uni students that have pro-Palestinian sentiments are easy targets for the fascist government. Wait until they start going after pro-Palestinian nationals on the grounds of being supportive of domestic terrorism. Why make it easy for them?
This already happened. The entire constitution has been put in the trash can before anyone got shot.
Wrong. You still have the first amendment. A privilege that the entire political spectrum of the US is a fan of. There is however an exemption to the first amendment. That is incitement. You are all making a case for the fascist government to portray pro-Palestinian sentiment as calls for violence.
Let me make it perfectly clear. The 2 that were smoked have a direct hand in the progress of the Zionist project. I have no love for them. But if you’re going to crash out, please crash out responsibly.
First amendment has been canceled for over 2 months. I’m sure this will be a new fan favorite excuse for repression. But looking at it realistically, besides a new excuse the actions will be the exact same.
“waow waow waow waow waow”
They will spin this off for anti semitism. Nothing to do with genocide in Palestine. Thank God for whoever invented the cameras in cell phone that we could see the massacre around the world. Imagine how bad it was before smart phones were invented.
I don’t necessarily believe that civilians are legitimate targets, but these two men, the government they served, and the government of the country they were killed in, are all extremely firm believers that they are.
The staffers didn’t deserve to die.
Yeah they did lol. Thus always to Zionists
You’re right they didn’t. Israel need to be seriously looking at the security they provide to their staff members.
When you become a genocidal terror state you have to accept that people around the world may try to reciprocate your violence against government officials.
They dont actually care that these people were killed. It gives them more credibility when they cry about antisemitism
“Their government is doing bad things” is not justification to kill someone.
Or do have a free pass to start gunning down every US and Chinese government employee now?
They are part of the government that is committing genocide.
So everyone at the State Department is fair game because Trump is performing an ethnic cleansing over here?
Do you not understand how absurd this argument is?
Yeah, after Iraq and Afghanistan, and many other countries, I have very little sympathy for people working on foreign affairs with the US government. The US is not a force for good in this world.
You ever heard the saying “don’t blame children for the crimes of their parents” or something like that?
Is that similar to the saying “don’t sign up to work for genocidal governments and expect to live a long and fulfilling life?”
Nobody said anything about the employees children.
They are talking about the crimes of the employees.
I wouldn’t shed a single tear if Bush, Cheney and Rove were forced to answer for their crimes because they’re the ones responsible. The staffers? What’d they do that deserves death?
Getting back to Israel; all this did was create 2 more martyrs for Bibi. Doesn’t help the pro Palestinian cause one bit. Gives Trump yet another excuse to target every pro Palestinian in the US, citizen or not. And in case you haven’t seen it yet the mainstream media is running with the story of how they were a couple about to be engaged. So this is just going to be used to garner more sympathy for Israel and make a ceasefire all the more unlikely.
This accomplished nothing, and to call it justified is just utter nonsense.
its a sensible take on a these sort of matters but maybe not for israel. current israel is not only committing a genocide in plain view of the world but is also targeting any criticism against it with a very disgusting mo.
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they have been killing journalists in gaza and westbank for decades so that idf brutality and murder of families by settlers has no evidence.
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they kill even pregnant women and children for fun not as some human shield or collateral
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they specially target hospital, medics and doctors so the injured die painfully while their relatives watch helplessly. this is a level of planned evil that goes way beyond warcrime and genocide
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they seem to be dictating narrative on every msm. even forums like reddit is completely crippled by their bots. just see the difference in voting pattern on world news from 2 years ago
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they have complete control of our political system on both red and blue side. now we all know much the shameless scum biden did to restrain israel. current dnc chairman schumer has publicly said that his top priority is always to keep the left pro-israel.
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peaceful protests not just in us but around the world have been targeted by them in violent ways. any criticism of genocide has resulted in immediate loss of employment for some of the most intelligent people working at google and microsoft.
israel was founded by people who butchered entire village and raped little girls for days. since then settler movement has attracted people across the world who are proud of murdering a family and taking their home. they supply spyware and weapon to most violent dictators in the world.
i really don’t think there is a peaceful alternative to control something this evil and elaborate. this is not going to stop at gaza. the ultra rich who are mostly part head of israeli lobby will use this very formula of violence and propaganda against the working class. to some extent its already started, we all saw how luigi is branded a terrorist for allegedly taking out a mass murderer and how anything positive related to him is suppressed everywhere.
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The staffers helped murder 5 million people.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, they don’t actually do anything. They order people around, but the ones doing the legwork are their staffers.
If the lives of people are less valuable to them than their own jobs, well, maybe their life ain’t worth shit either.
It doesn’t hurt either, zionists are now gonna be looking over their shoulders when in public.
“We can’t fight back because then the people killing us will do the thing they’re already doing!”
First, I have no clue who deserves death or not. I just feel no sympathy for these lost lives. I won’t feel any sympathy or regret if more Israeli government officials die.
Israel and the US government paint campus protestors as terrorists. They are going to continue painting any resistance to the genocide as terrorism.
We have no idea what this accomplished. You sound like the compromising liberals MLK Jr criticized. Oh, we just have to protest a little more civilly next time and avoid inconveniencing people. If this strikes fear in Israeli officials, sounds like a win to me
How involved does one need to be to be complicit?
We can probably agree that the local embassy security staff didn’t have a hand in these atrocities, but do the intelligence officers staffed there? The schmoozers working to ensure unwavering US support? The ambassador himself?
Keeping in mind everyone’s interpretation of complicity is different, I agree this probably wasn’t the best move available, but I won’t criticize it further than that.
Go back to reddit
Oh my what a difficult moral dilemma, I wonder if there could ever be a good answer to it. Nope, I guess literal government employees are not at all responsible for what their government is doing.
Maybe Netanyahu and Gallant can go personally to the ICC to demand action on these extrajudicial killings if they’re so concerned with due process.
You would have whined about the resistance shooting Nazi officials.
These people did though!
The people that made the decision to kill them deserve to die.
You mean the Israeli government?
Or the ones who literally pulled the trigger
There is no evidence that Adolf Hitler ever personally executed anyone. Yet I do hold him accountable for the triggers getting pulled.
This just guarantees dropping nuclear bombs so long as it’s just the one guy who pressed the button who will go to court.
himmler never killed anyone. guess one of the most famously depraved evil nazis was actually innocent!
The inverse Nuremberg defence: “I was only giving orders”
I meant both lol if someone ordered to kill them and someone pulled the trigger then they both deserve to be held responsible.
Y’all are rabid in this post though.
Keep defending nazis weirdo
Clean Reichstag theory dropped
god plainly disagrees
They are part and parcel of the genocidal apparatus. I have no sympathy at all for them.
You pay taxes? Then you too are part of the apparatus and deserve death by some even more radical’s reasoning.
The government doesn’t take your taxes and use them to do X. That’s a misunderstanding of how taxes work.
I agree, some people have little choice. Fortunately, I personally left America and no longer pay taxes so I don’t have to be part of that. Not everyone can do that.
People who actively join the government and support Israeli efforts should be held accountable. I also have no sympathy for ICE agents in the US either.
The government is not one entity.
There is a massive difference between your taxes going to support Israel’s genocide unwillingly, and voluntarily joining the genocide apparatus.
Taxes are the state taking back their money. The money vanishes. If you’re getting oppressed by your state, its not your fault.
If this single person stopped paying taxes, the US would still be funding the genocide.
Besides, their taxes don’t fund shit. The US government literally prints money at will and funds whatever it wants.
Do you work for the gov and served the IGF like the guy that got whacked? These werent random ass civilians.
fuck off, you are sympathizing with fucking hitler’s staffers. shut your dumb ass up
One of them was found on twitter rabidly defending this genocide. They work at the embassy. They’re defending this genocide as part of their job. They’re directly part of trying to erase this genocide.
So you think that only the people pulling the trigger deserve death but the people trying to cover it up don’t? That’s a remarkable viewpoint
Yes? They deserve to be held accountable but even in a fair legal system they would not face the death penalty while those actually directly participating in or ordering war crimes would.
Great. So how long do we wait for said fair legal system to do this? Do we wait until after every single Palestinian has been brutally murdered or is that too soon for you. I’d also be curious if you can clearly define where said legal system exists and how it will go about prosecuting people like this.
Hey dipshit the brilliant legal systems of both countries involved here are currently trying to imprison everyone who doesn’t gleefully support the total annihilation of Palestine. This is the extremely predictable result of stomping out every single alternative way of opposing an ongoing genocide.
And like what do you think the appropriate consequence for aiding a genocide should be? Simple murderers often get life, so how does the math work out when it’s a few hundred thousand and the total destruction of an entire nation?
Clearly everyone here is illiterate lol
The legal systems of both the US and Israel consider all government employees to be legitimate targets for summary execution, as they have demonstrated in Gaza.
Fair
Their family members and neighbors world also be considered legitimate targets for summary execution by Israel and the US, incidentally.
Well you better bone up on your necromancy while the rest of us get the crabs out
People getting killed is obviously bad. But just to put this into perspective, how many people were killed in Gaza today? How many children? And yesterday, and the day before? Oh wait, we don’t even have a full count because the monsters also murder journalists.
one served the IDF and continued to serve the goverment.
They were cogs in the machine and no one forced them into that position. They got exactly what they deserved.
Yes they did, and they were legitimate targets according to the standards they themselves espoused (as were their children and anyone living near to them.)
Come on guys not all holocaust supporters were bad, some of them were just normal people. /s
I don’t celebrate their deaths and I wish this didn’t happen but if they support the same thing happening to other noncombatants, I have a hard time seeing how this isn’t karma.
I know it makes me a terrible person. But I have trouble coming up with any response to this except “good. The time for bullshit words is over”
They were judged under the standard they themselves espoused.
They were very pro Trump. The kind of Israelis that celebrate the genocide.
Weak ass k/d ratio.
shooter’s manifesto. this will be spun as some anti-semitic bs when its clearly a desperate last act given the crackdown on peaceful protests and our politician bribed enough by aipac not giving a fig about them even when public opinion is overwhelming against israel.
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-israel-embassy-shooter-manifesto
no one deserves death for others actions but an israeli delegate is much more complicit than those helpless children and other innocents getting butchered everyday by israel.
these rich brats had a choice to be not part of the ongoing genocide or even make a stand. the children and families without water and food trapped in gaza on the other have no choice other than to be target practice for idf scum
Holy shit. This is insanely profound. Not dehumanizing his targets but acknowledging their humanity and therefore, their responsibility and the gravity of the thing he is about to do.
This wasn’t a raving mad man stabbing or shooting the nearest, most Jewish looking person, this seems to have been a targeted shooting.
AI summary:
The excerpt from the graphic novel appears to express a deep moral conflict about judging the actions of others in high-stakes, life-and-death situations. The character, Alison, is reflecting on how her past idealism and desire for perfect solutions don’t align with the messy, imperfect, and often desperate realities others face. She questions whether her criticism of others—such as Moonshadow, who uses violence for what she sees as justice—is truly about right and wrong, or about asserting her own moral authority.
In the context of a political assassination, this excerpt could be interpreted as a meditation on the complexity of moral judgment in violent political acts. It does not condone violence but challenges the reader to understand the motivations behind desperate actions without reducing them to simple binaries of right or wrong. It critiques moral absolutism and invites reflection on privilege, urgency, and the cost of demanding perfect solutions from those in crisis.
That said, the message is highly nuanced and can be interpreted differently depending on one’s perspective. It’s crucial to approach such discussions with sensitivity, especially when they involve real-world violence and loss of life.
Yuck
Cope
And to think, there are people around here who accuse me of not being a “real” leftist. Who but a leftist would post a page from from a webcomic that’s 90% text? Checkmate libs.
Any one who accuses some one else of not being a real leftist is probably a fed
