In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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    There’s absolutely no evidence that Harris getting elected would have done fuck all for Palestine.

    Democrats lost because a lot of people who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump in 2024. This was due to a perception of a majority of voters that Trump was going to do a better job on the economy, immigration, and foreign policy.

    When you look at the polling data, the genocide of Palestinians does not rank high at all, even among Democrats.

    Stop blaming people for what they do with their vote. That’s the entire fucking point of a democracy. Hold the right people accountable for thinking they could coast to victory on a strategy of “not being Trump”.

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      Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

      I will blame people for a moral failing all I want. Y’all decided to latch on to ONE issue and didn’t give a shit who was harmed because of it, because suddenly, after over half a century of genocide, NOW you gave a shit

      You did what the algorithm wanted you to do, and you don’t care who got hurt or is currently in El Salvador, because hey, at least your shit don’t stink

      My trans son says “fuck you”.

      You are a wannabe. You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

      But instead you decided it was morally superior to let Trump in.

      You’re all bastards who have put my loved ones in danger.

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        Except instead of talking about building a resort in Gaza, she wanted a two state solution.

        No. She said her policies didn’t differ from biden’s. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.

        I will blame people for a moral failing all I want.

        Opposing genocide isn’t a moral failure. Supporting it is. You should stop but you won’t.

        You don’t give a shit about genocide. Because if you did, you’d do everything you could to save lives.

        You do give a shit about genocide. You support it so hard that you equate genocide support with support for your trans son.

        Did you see any democrat respond to the constant barrage of hate ads against trans people by actively standing up for trans people? Because I saw them avoiding the issue like the cowards they are and letting republicans move the Overton window to somewhere they were more comfortable with, or running anti-trans hate in their own ads as a preview of where the Fascist Appeasement Party desperately wants to be.

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          No. She said her policies didn’t differ from biden’s. biden did nothing to pressure netanyahu to stop the genocide.

          Crab, we’ve been over this before, EVERY MONTH from becoming the candidate to the election Harris was advocating for an immediate cease fire, the release of hostages, and a two-state solution. Over, and over again.

          Polar opposite of Trumps “sweep them out and take over.”

          July: https://www.the-independent.com/tv/news/kamala-harris-says-two-state-solution-is-the-only-path-after-meeting-with-netanyahu-b2586161.html

          August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html

          September: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-harris-says-two-state-solution-end-of-israel-hamas-war-is-crucial

          October: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/harris-dodges-direct-question-on-palestinian-deaths-calls-for-2-state-solution-during-cnn-town-hall/3372480

          Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as VP? No, the VP has no real power unless the Senate is stuck on a 50/50 vote.

          Could she PERSONALLY negotiate it as a candidate for President? No, US civilians are blocked from engaging in diplomatic action.

          So a) not a function of her job, b) not a function of her candidacy.

          ALL she could do was talk about what she would do if elected 1) Immediate cease fire, 2) Hostage release, 3) Two-State solution. July, August, September, October.

          The “BUH BUH GENOCIDE!!!” crowd completely ignored what she was saying because they didn’t want to hear it, they are so crawled up inside their own assholes they can’t hear anything.

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            biden falsely claimed to want an immediate ceasefire, hostage release, and a two state solution.

            He also said he wanted to raise the minimum wage, pass all the stuff in BBB, revisit the public option, and reschedule cannabis. All were lies.

            It became clear that his support for a ceasefire and a two state solution were always lies as well.

            harris was one of the people closest to biden. She had to have witnessed his decline and had a responsibility to say something. She lied instead.

            She also said that her policies were no different from biden’s.

            She could have shown some daylight between herself and biden on the issue, but there wasn’t any. She ran as a continuation of biden because she was.

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              Harris is not Biden. Again, read her statements, month after month, after month. July, August, September, October.

              She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is. Biden was blinded by the history of Israel, Harris did not have that same handicap.

              HER handicap was not being able to publicly diverge from Biden policy, she should have, but couldn’t afford to alienate the Biden machine.

              https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5191087-harris-trump-biden-harris/

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                She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is.

                So she publicly stated that Israel should stop, would fight to stop it more than Biden, and was pro-Palestine.

                Right?

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                She was far more likely to treat Netanyahu as the dishonest broker that he is.

                I don’t believe that.

                HER handicap was not being able to publicly diverge from Biden policy, she should have, but couldn’t afford to alienate the Biden machine.

                We would totally do the right thing, but for this stuff going on behind the scenes.

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                  “No no trust us, I’m against Israel’s genocide, I’m just not gonna use any influence to stop it, I’m not going to make it part of my campaign, I’m going to tell people protesting the genocide to shut up and that I’m speaking. I am clearly anti-genocide, just let me keep with Biden’s pro-genocide polices.”

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                  Whether you “believe” it or not is irrelevant. It was her position as stated publicly multiple times. That problem is yours, not hers.

                  In the end though, the desire to “save” Gaza will result in the extermination of Gaza because you simply wouldn’t listen. Good jorb!

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          Voting doesn’t mean I support genocide.

          I guess I support school shootings too? Guess I suppose privatized healthcare as well.

          You’re fuckin reaching.

          I would be too if I assisted Trump regaining power

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            I voted for harris as well. I’m not carrying water for her and I’m not going to defend her mistakes by screaming at voters. Her campaign was shit. The only way the party will ever improve is to learn from their mistakes.

            And supporting genocide was a mistake.

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              She didn’t support it and stated so multiple times.

              Y’all just pick and chose what you decided to pay attention to.

              Her campaign was fuckin tight. Y’all acting like it was just a bumbling shit show.

              That’s the voters who stayed at home.