This alternative implies finding actual progressives to support and bankrolling their campaigns against the mega pacs/billionaires that support the DNC and RNC. This grassroot support structure has worked for politicians like Bernie! I want to do this, but I don’t know if the kind of support he recieves could be spread across the amount of localities we would need to push forward a third party in the first past the post system.
IMO We need to do a coalition with dems so that circumstances for the unprivileged don’t actively get worse, and take over the DNC with time. Support progressive candidates even if they side with the DNC, and if the DNC candidate is not progressive but defending a seat from a hyperfascist, they should be supported for that seat. Primary them ASAP to replace them with someone better, obviously- and constantly ring their office asking for a more progressive push from their end anyways.
If we can get rid of FPTP then me and many more people would opt for your method! Since we don’t have that luxury, witholding votes and allowing hyperfascists to take more seats will just lead to further removal of rights and greater harm.
You need to find a local socialist group to get involved with. Hopefully that will help deprogram you if the Democrat propaganda you’ve absorbed.
If you get more involved, you’ll quickly realize that the Democrats are more active villains than you currently realize, and are the primary party we’re having to battle.
you’ll quickly realize that the Democrats are more active villains than you currently realize, and are the primary party we’re having to battle.
Wow you guys haven’t changed at all since 1917. This is a remarkable consistency for 108 years. Lenin and Stalin also saw their primary enemies as the other leftwing parties instead of the conservatives. They killed and/or imprisoned literally every member of Russia’s other 2 socialist parties, the Menshiviks and the Socialist Revolutionary Party.
Already in the social labor party, but the restrictions of a 527 organization seem so… broken? The political party can’t endorse any specifc candidates, pay for campaign expenses, etc. You’d need a PAC for that.
After all of those hurdles, the idea of a third party being viable across all states seem very far away, and with FPTP systems it is very unlikely that it would be able to do anything before people are put in camps for being LGBTQ+ or calling out fascists for what they are.
Considering the Democrats are moving even further to the right, I don’t understand your logic in thinking that continuing to vote for Democrats will solve any of those problems. As we’ve already seen, voting for Democrats isn’t even harm reduction. Biden armed a genocide, and deported 250% more people than Trump.
Let me ask you this. How many significant “third parties” have gotten a significant number of votes in elections, in the 250 years that this country has been sovereign?
There was Roosevelt in 1912 with the progressive party that got most of his voters after splitting from republicans (supported largely by the north at the time). The [white supremacist] American Independent party in 1968 split off from the democrat party (at that time, supported largely by the south) The Independent party in 1992 split off from the republican party, and even though they got nearly a fifth of the popular vote, they didn’t get any electoral votes.
Historically, a third party has only gotten significant traction by infiltrating and then splitting off from a major party. Why would we not want to fracture this broken democrat party into something useful? We have the opportunity, and I firmly believe that the youth (once they start voting and getting on their feet enough to stand in this sea of shit that we find ourselves in) will make that move to split and reform the party to be something better.
I can understand not wanting to vote for someone who endorses some of the things you oppose (and some things that you might even be okay with!), but I do not understand still withholding that vote when the other option is someone whose actions repeatedly endorse ALL the things you oppose, but orders of magnitude worse.
This alternative implies finding actual progressives to support and bankrolling their campaigns against the mega pacs/billionaires that support the DNC and RNC. This grassroot support structure has worked for politicians like Bernie! I want to do this, but I don’t know if the kind of support he recieves could be spread across the amount of localities we would need to push forward a third party in the first past the post system. IMO We need to do a coalition with dems so that circumstances for the unprivileged don’t actively get worse, and take over the DNC with time. Support progressive candidates even if they side with the DNC, and if the DNC candidate is not progressive but defending a seat from a hyperfascist, they should be supported for that seat. Primary them ASAP to replace them with someone better, obviously- and constantly ring their office asking for a more progressive push from their end anyways. If we can get rid of FPTP then me and many more people would opt for your method! Since we don’t have that luxury, witholding votes and allowing hyperfascists to take more seats will just lead to further removal of rights and greater harm.
You need to find a local socialist group to get involved with. Hopefully that will help deprogram you if the Democrat propaganda you’ve absorbed.
If you get more involved, you’ll quickly realize that the Democrats are more active villains than you currently realize, and are the primary party we’re having to battle.
Wow you guys haven’t changed at all since 1917. This is a remarkable consistency for 108 years. Lenin and Stalin also saw their primary enemies as the other leftwing parties instead of the conservatives. They killed and/or imprisoned literally every member of Russia’s other 2 socialist parties, the Menshiviks and the Socialist Revolutionary Party.
Already in the social labor party, but the restrictions of a 527 organization seem so… broken? The political party can’t endorse any specifc candidates, pay for campaign expenses, etc. You’d need a PAC for that.
After all of those hurdles, the idea of a third party being viable across all states seem very far away, and with FPTP systems it is very unlikely that it would be able to do anything before people are put in camps for being LGBTQ+ or calling out fascists for what they are.
Considering the Democrats are moving even further to the right, I don’t understand your logic in thinking that continuing to vote for Democrats will solve any of those problems. As we’ve already seen, voting for Democrats isn’t even harm reduction. Biden armed a genocide, and deported 250% more people than Trump.
That didn’t address any of my concerns, but okay…
Let me ask you this. How many significant “third parties” have gotten a significant number of votes in elections, in the 250 years that this country has been sovereign?
There was Roosevelt in 1912 with the progressive party that got most of his voters after splitting from republicans (supported largely by the north at the time). The [white supremacist] American Independent party in 1968 split off from the democrat party (at that time, supported largely by the south) The Independent party in 1992 split off from the republican party, and even though they got nearly a fifth of the popular vote, they didn’t get any electoral votes.
Historically, a third party has only gotten significant traction by infiltrating and then splitting off from a major party. Why would we not want to fracture this broken democrat party into something useful? We have the opportunity, and I firmly believe that the youth (once they start voting and getting on their feet enough to stand in this sea of shit that we find ourselves in) will make that move to split and reform the party to be something better.
I can understand not wanting to vote for someone who endorses some of the things you oppose (and some things that you might even be okay with!), but I do not understand still withholding that vote when the other option is someone whose actions repeatedly endorse ALL the things you oppose, but orders of magnitude worse.
It really undermines your attempt at pretending to be leftist, when you just repeat the Democrat script every single bot uses.