Discord: becomes affiliated with perpetrators of mass violence, but nobody cares

KF: becomes affiliated with more petty harassers, and everyone wants them gone

  • Trilobyte@feddit.ukEnglish
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    1 month ago

    OP is talking about the infamous hate site Kiwifarms, which they’re a member of. Not sure why it was abbreviated since more people will know what you’re talking about if you just say Kiwifarms in the title.

    To answer your question about why Kiwifarms is looked down upon, a couple paragraphs from Wikipedia is sufficient to understand why:

    Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums (/ˈkwɪki/ KWIH-kee), is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxing and real-life harassment.[3][4][5] Kiwi Farms has been tied to the suicides of three people who were victims of harassment by the website.[6][7][8]

    The site targets transgender people,[4][15] people with disabilities,[16][17] and those its users believe to be neurodivergent.[16][17][15] Targets of harassment are referred to on the forum as “lolcows”, named after the idea that they can be “milked for laughs”.[18] Tactics include publishing their victims’ personal information (“doxing”), trying to get them fired from their jobs, reporting crimes at their addresses in an attempt to have police dispatched to their homes (“swatting”), and harassing their family members and friends. Some of Kiwi Farms’ harassment campaigns have continued for months or years, and some aim to drive the targets to suicide.[4][19] Both the site’s owner Moon and the userbase of Kiwi Farms have been described as antisemitic, with Kiwi Farms users targeting a transgender Jewish convert with antisemitic abuse.[20][21]

    Discord’s purpose is for direct messaging friends and joining chat servers. The purpose of Kiwifarms is to spread hate. It was also responsible for the suicide of the Higan/BSNES emulator developer, Near/Byuu.

    Near stated that they and their friends had been doxxed and goaded into suicide by members of the website, and that Near had been mocked for being autistic

    • CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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      29 days ago

      That’s not them you are linking to on that site. People pretend to be other people on there all the time, especially in subtle ways like hyperlinking as if they are on here, as it allows them to not have to say they are lying. The fact they in turn link to the KiwiFarms page isn’t proof either; the two users are said to have just known about each other.

      • Trilobyte@feddit.ukEnglish
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        29 days ago

        Leni defended Kiwifarms by spreading propaganda that Kiwifarms is a “free speech” site in the comments to this thread: https://archive.ph/2fPWH The Kiwifarms thread I linked includes other posts by “MoeAnguish” (Leni) later in the thread, including one where Leni on her MoeAnguish Kiwifarms account was gloating about me not approving of her defending Kiwifarms. “Skirting the law” is referring to me having to use TOR to access Kiwifarms for these screenshots and links, since I live in the UK and Kiwifarms is blocked here.

        https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&actionType=All&userId=12858701

        • CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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          29 days ago

          I’ve never seen any censorship on there.

          Well, what is it then? And what gives you whatever answer to that you have?

          Also, like I said, impersonation is common there.

          • Trilobyte@feddit.ukEnglish
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            29 days ago

            No normal person is going to defend Kiwifarms as a “free speech” site. Based on more reliable sources that talk about Kiwifarms, the sign up process involves a CAPTCHA of some sort which contains multiple slurs, and users have to agree with this before they can join. Leni defended Kiwifarms as a free speech site on her Lemmy account. Kiwifarms is a hate speech site and conflating the two is another thing that gave Leni away (as if Leni minimizing the harm Kiwifarms has done as “more petty harassment” in the OP of this thread wasn’t also eyebrow-raising). Leni posted two links to Kiwifarms threads, both only go to posts by “MoeAnguish”. No mention of MoeAnguish being an impersonator. MoeAnguish is the only Kiwifarms poster who linked the Lemmy thread I made and referenced things I said in the first person. There’s no implication at all that she’s being impersonated.

            Kiwifarms users are known for their trolling, manipulation and lying, though. It’s kind of part of their whole playbook.

            • CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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              29 days ago

              I’m sure her angle is there is a difference between defending a website’s history and defending the mere act of happening to be on it.

              You also answered your own confusion about the free speech thing.

              • Trilobyte@feddit.ukEnglish
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                29 days ago

                “It was made for an angle of free speech” is her direct quote, which is a blatant lie as Kiwifarms was made for hate speech. Conflating hate speech with free speech is, to put it lightly, eyebrow raising. The only people I’ve seen do that are other Kiwifarmers besides her, alt-right fanatics, and bigots.

                • CraigOhMyEggoAlt@lemmy.wtfEnglish
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                  29 days ago

                  That quote literally cannot be found anywhere.

                  The whole defense for hate speech is free speech, but I’m guessing she doesn’t mean hate speech. You’ll have to ask her if I am wrong if you think I might be.

                  Sources say she is on there specifically to monitor the site when they mention her friends, with some in-between dialogue which has her use the site vocabulary in a tone that isn’t meant to be synonymous with her agreeing with their extremism.

                  May I also remind you that Lemmy not only advocates assassination but even sponsors it (not in the money sense)?