Following the other thread (550 upvotes and 366 comments at the moment: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417), one of the complaints that people had what that some communities only exist on lemmy.ml and don’t have alternatives on other instances.
Let’s discuss this and see if we can organize together.
I suggest to have one topic per comment so that is is easier to discuss.
Jellyfin: [email protected]
Maybe something for https://lemmy.dbzer0.com ?
I just created [email protected]
Creating the community isn’t the issue, usually it’s finding moderators
I mean, if your qualification for moderator includes “Not abusing powers to defend garbage extremist politics” then we currently have two communities that each have zero moderators.
Not sure if I got your comment correctly, are you implying that @[email protected] is going to power trip on the newly created [email protected], or do you mean something else?
No, just an implication towards the old lemmy.ml version of the community.
What I mean is, moving from a bad situation to an equally bad but improvable situation is still a good move. It might be better to have a small, unmoderated community than one governed by “pretend” moderators.
That said, if the above comment was pointing out a need to fulfill, as opposed to decrying the attempts at community replacement, then you could disregard my snide remark.
Got it!
Don’t worry about it for now. I will do it until someone steps up for it. Also, don’t forget that I am actually working on tooling to make this job easier, so having any type of growing community would be an excellent way to find out the real pain point for moderators and work on the solutions.
When I said moderator, I meant someone to bring people to the community as well 😅
For that, I really have no answer other than “help with fediverser, stick with one community, and post as much as possible in the promoted communities”.
No but I mean practically now, is anyone going to promote that new community to [email protected]? Or do we expect people to hear about it by another mean?
Or do we expect people to hear about it by another mean?
Yes. Fediverser will help newcomers. Posting content in the “new communities” will help those already here. Everyone browses by all anyway, so the best way to promote new communities is by putting content there.
Wouldn’t https://lemmy.film or https://selfhosted.forum be better? Even https://libretechni.ca
Sorry to bring it to you, but https://lemmy.film/ has been down for probably six months.
What is the issue with dbzer0? It’s literally an instance with the largest piracy community of all of Lemmy
When I think of db0 I think of piracy or AI, Jellyfin is a media manager, when I think of it, I think of TV, film and self hosting.
Well, I’m pretty sure none of the Jellyfin users stream their vacation movies
https://libretechni.ca/ is also down on my site, is the site supposed to be up?
It’s back up! 🎉
Oh nice! Only one admin though
Is one admin bad?
If he decides to shut down the project, or something happens to him, the server will probably go down with him.
See vlemmy.net, lemmy.film, iusearch.fyi, and so on
Aha, makes sense. Though my beloved tf went down and that had multiple admins at one point.
Single admin instances are fragile instances. One person is a single point of failure.
But if the primary admin buggers off with the hosting and/or domain, doesn’t that kill all instances?
Yep, I guess its having an outage. It’s been fine for weeks.
Who downvoted this? Why? 😵💫
Open source: [email protected]
- [email protected] seems like a nice alternative (more subs than [email protected])
there’s also [email protected]
I’m always torn with Beehaw as they defederated lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works.
Posting there just mean that a third of Lemmy won’t see your post.
Seems like a community that has it’s natural home at programming.dev.
Indeed
Linux: [email protected]
[email protected] seems quite active, I guess if any people move to it it will become even more active.
[email protected] could probably be a nice one too if people want to avoid hypercentralization on LW
If you know any other, comment below and we can see which one we decide to select as “the one” to avoid fragmentation.
[email protected] would be perfect! @[email protected] can we make that happen?
[email protected] and [email protected]
The respective moderators (@[email protected], @[email protected]) have been AWOL for 4 years.
Possible alternative:
- [email protected] (kbin development is fragile?)
Any instance recommendations?
@[email protected], were you able to find any RSS news sources?
I’ve figured it out @[email protected] . The thing that was bugging me was where we should host the autonomous and self driving technology community and the whole time it was bloody obvious. @[email protected] can we host it on your instance?
where we should host the autonomous and self driving technology community and the whole time it was bloody obvious. @[email protected] can we host it on your instance?
I asked the futurology admins about adding additional communities that fit the futurology theme, but they seem uninterested. I’m not sure why, as having what is essentially a single-community instance seems a bit strange to me, but it’s ultimately their call.
@[email protected] and @[email protected], would reconsider increasing the number of communities on your instance, provided they fit the futurology theme?
We are not against it, but it needs careful consideration due to limited server resources as well as limited user attention (we are a very small instance compared to others)
We’re not sure how much additional traction we would drive to your server, but we don’t expect too much. It would mostly just be me and @[email protected] posting news stories and videos (hosted on YouTube) about self-driving technology with the occasional news story and video about robot chefs. So very much in line with Futurology.
I’ll have a chat with the other mods and come back to you
Thank you so much
We’ve decided to go ahead with this, fire over a DM and we’ll get the community set up
I found a couple. I’m saddened that https://selfdrivenews.com doesn’t have an RSS feed though
[email protected] and [email protected]
Mods: @[email protected] and @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected]
Could not find any current alternatives.
Any instance recommendations? Maybe mander.xyz? (@[email protected])
[email protected], currently moderated by @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected].
Could not find any current alternatives.
Any instance recommendations? Maybe programming.dev? Or a maker/craft-oriented instance?
Librewolf’s official community is on ml sadly [email protected]
Might be worth to check with the team if they would mind moving to another instance.
I guess they didn’t really check which instance their community was hosted on
Lemmy.ml is the largest FOSS and Privacy instance, so it makes sense.
Or maybe it was the most popular server when the Librewolf devs decided on an instance for their community.
Could be, but given that Librewolf is FOSS and focused on Privacy, it makes sense and fits.
I think the problem is not so much that “communities don’t exist”, but that they are far less popular and active than the lemmy.ml ones, and when presented with a choice new users will typically choose the community that is more active and has the most subs. You can’t simply solve that by creating another community on another instance. A concerted effort would be needed to get people to move and to get them to pick the alternative community over the lemmy.ml one. Raising awareness and defederation by bigger instances (like lemmy.world) would help immensely.
For me the big ones are [email protected] and [email protected] btw, which do exist elsewhere but the alternatives are stale.
This is it.
The games community in lemmy.world is a bunch of folks advertising their indie game or YouTube stream. Usually a few comments here and there.
The games community on lemmy.ml is a bunch of folks sharing gaming journalism. Pretty active.
I always thought the real gaming community was [email protected]
That’s a way better community! Thanks for the recommendation!
You’re welcome!
I posted to [email protected] and [email protected] about [email protected]
Someone else and I cross posted all of the content from [email protected] to [email protected] this morning.
I went to Reddit and HN to get content to that community too.
Is it really that stale?
On the other hand, I don’t think defederation is necessary nor useful. Build rather than break.
Hey I applaud your effort, yesterday the top post was several days old and top day was empty on one of the subs, so this is already better.
I’m a bit skeptical if that will be enough though. Active discussion is the meat and the potatoes for me when I go to a tech community, and for that you need more subscribers.
Subscribers come to active communities. Feel free to post there too.
When presented with a choice, people usually pick the community that is the most active and already has the most subs.
But I am definitely giving it a shot.
Right, but when one of the communities has a reputation for authoritarian admins and mods dedicated to spreading propaganda it’s a bit different.
https://programming.dev/c/programmer_humor seems pretty active? Edit: nice link [email protected]
Indeed, it is.
- [email protected] - no posts that I can see
Maybe [email protected] ?
Having everything on LW isn’t the same problem?
Centralization is still a problem, but LW doesn’t have as much propaganda and aggressive moderation
The definition of propaganda is subjective.
There is a lot westerns do not perceive as propaganda. As someone from the global south I can tell you.
Can you give an example? Are you talking about propaganda from a government or something else?
Too general.
Based on the activity on both [email protected] and [email protected], seems enough for now.
Personal finance: [email protected]
There are a few country-based:
Maybe it makes more sense to have country-based communities?
Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but I wanted to say that I see you going to such great efforts to help people all across the entire Fediverse, and to say thank you - we appreciate you!:-)
Thanks, trying to help!
Yeah, Blaze definitely deserves some kind of “threadiverse citizen’s volunteer of the year” award or something.
Thanks!
And happy cake day to you!
They are always on r/RedditAlternatives steering people towards the Fediverse too, along with a few others. Unfortunately most people there are resistant, and the heavily leftist-leaning nature of the content here turns a lot of people away (many instances including reddthat.com do not block either hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml by default for new users, so all those posts promoting literal violence against e.g. landlords show up immediately in their All feeds), but it is still awesome to see them trying!:-)
Personally I think the technology will need to be improved first - e.g. adding content labels such as Mastodon already has (and everything else these days except Lemmy) - before we will see wider acceptance, especially since there are a lot of centrists who nonetheless contribute niche content that otherwise will not feel comfortable here and thus remain on Reddit, or a lot of people simply swear off social media altogether. But damn, if we do succeed it will in no small part be due to their constant efforts!:-) 🥰
They are always on r/RedditAlternatives steering people towards the Fediverse too, along with a few others. Unfortunately most people there are resistant, and the heavily leftist-leaning nature of the content here turns a lot of people away (many instances including reddthat.com do not block either hexbear.net or lemmygrad.ml by default for new users, so all those posts promoting literal violence against e.g. landlords show up immediately in their All feeds), but it is still awesome to see them trying!:-)
Yeah, some people there have the worst bad faith I’ve ever seen. Anyway, at least some other people can read the comments and learn about Lemmy.
Can we make some root cause analysis? Why is it a problem that certain communities are only on one instance?
Or better, why do communities need some relationship to an instance?
Hello Raphael,
For the first question, I redirect you to the thread linked in the OP: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417
For the second question, I guess this is beyond the scope of this discussion. Having communities unlinked to an instance would require a complete rework of Lemmy, this thread is just about moving away from lemmy.ml due to some abuse reported in the other thread.
What If I told you that it does not require a complete rework of Lemmy, but instead just additional services to use instances as independent “ActivityPub group servers”?
Are those services available today?
@[email protected] and @[email protected], what is so offensive about Blaze’s question that warrants downvotes?
Nice one ha ha
I think it’s creepy. Don’t like that at all.
Downvotes can be seen by any admin of any instance
Do you think I will somehow be blackmailed because you tagged me dude?
I am downvoting all participants in this grassroots campaign against lemmy developers and diverse political opinions.