Fuck right off with this infighting and division bullshit you’re pushing. What does this serve to achieve other than divide the left and prevent it from organising and taking action?
The only reason “tankies” are “authoritarian” (two words that have lost any meaning at this point), is because after seeing repeated examples throughout history where liberal socialist movements have fallen and collapsed to capitalist backed fascist militias and infiltration, they are willing to do what it takes to ensure the socialist state lasts long enough against counterrevolution to begin building the foundations for a truly free socialist society.
Even if that means a few dead monarchs, billionaires, and fascists along the way, then I have no objection against those whom you call “tankies”.
I agree. Tankie trolls really need to stop supporting fascist (might as well just call them what they are) regimes like Russia and China, while claiming to have the best interests of leftists at heart. It’s extremely divisive because people end up associating that fucked up shit with real leftists, which it isn’t, not by a long shot.
fascist (might as well just call them what they are)
Whether you hate them or not, the term ‘fascist’ just doesn’t apply to either of them. Fascism is a school of thought with specific ideas and behaviors which is borne out of specific conditions (consider WWI’s effect on Europe and the failure of liberalism in the Weimar Republic).
Communists take ideological analysis seriously, fascism is a real and re-emerging trend, not just some namecalling buzzword.
Firstly, how do you consider China to be a fascist nation?
Secondly, When since 1990 did “tankies” uncritically support Russia?
Thirdly, assuming you manage to establish even a remotely socialist government, how would you go about ensuring its survival against embargoes, espionage, invasion, counterrevolution, etc without ending up like Allende or Lumumba?
Fourthly, what the hell even is that graphic? Assuming you’re supposed to overlay the political compass on top (which is a poorly designed and arbitrary graph that doesn’t have room for nuance anyway), What right wing economic arguments do you think we promote? Because I’m pretty sure the abolition of private property isn’t something Friedman, let alone Hitler, particularly agreed with.
Don’t expect anything more than insults from a troll gratuitously throwing terms like fascist around and having a charicatural and simplistic world view.
Waste of time.
I’m confused. Are you saying that big business institutionalized militant, petty bourgeois movements in the Russian Federation and the PRC with the intention of securing capitalism at any cost?
Fuck right off with this infighting and division bullshit you’re pushing. What does this serve to achieve other than divide the left and prevent it from organising and taking action?
The only reason “tankies” are “authoritarian” (two words that have lost any meaning at this point), is because after seeing repeated examples throughout history where liberal socialist movements have fallen and collapsed to capitalist backed fascist militias and infiltration, they are willing to do what it takes to ensure the socialist state lasts long enough against counterrevolution to begin building the foundations for a truly free socialist society.
Even if that means a few dead monarchs, billionaires, and fascists along the way, then I have no objection against those whom you call “tankies”.
Username checks out
I agree. Tankie trolls really need to stop supporting fascist (might as well just call them what they are) regimes like Russia and China, while claiming to have the best interests of leftists at heart. It’s extremely divisive because people end up associating that fucked up shit with real leftists, which it isn’t, not by a long shot.
Whether you hate them or not, the term ‘fascist’ just doesn’t apply to either of them. Fascism is a school of thought with specific ideas and behaviors which is borne out of specific conditions (consider WWI’s effect on Europe and the failure of liberalism in the Weimar Republic).
Communists take ideological analysis seriously, fascism is a real and re-emerging trend, not just some namecalling buzzword.
So did little Micron form his own hasbara outfit to post crap everywhere?
Firstly, how do you consider China to be a fascist nation?
Secondly, When since 1990 did “tankies” uncritically support Russia?
Thirdly, assuming you manage to establish even a remotely socialist government, how would you go about ensuring its survival against embargoes, espionage, invasion, counterrevolution, etc without ending up like Allende or Lumumba?
Fourthly, what the hell even is that graphic? Assuming you’re supposed to overlay the political compass on top (which is a poorly designed and arbitrary graph that doesn’t have room for nuance anyway), What right wing economic arguments do you think we promote? Because I’m pretty sure the abolition of private property isn’t something Friedman, let alone Hitler, particularly agreed with.
Don’t expect anything more than insults from a troll gratuitously throwing terms like fascist around and having a charicatural and simplistic world view.
Waste of time.
I’m confused. Are you saying that big business institutionalized militant, petty bourgeois movements in the Russian Federation and the PRC with the intention of securing capitalism at any cost?