• gnu@lemmy.zip
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    fem timmar sedan

    The hunter gatherer lifestyle works nicely until you get injured, have teeth problems, get sick, or get pregnant. It also helps to be male and both physically and mentally able, so if you aren’t good luck with that.

    As someone who’s had wisdom teeth issues I’m quite happy to have modern medicine rather than being in the stone age and just having to deal with a broken tooth section rubbing against a nerve…

    • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
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      fyra timmar sedan

      Dental health of hunter gathers looks like it was much better than ours:

      “Hunter-gatherers had really good teeth,” says Alan Cooper, director of the Australian Centre for Ancient DNA. “[But] as soon as you get to farming populations, you see this massive change. Huge amounts of gum disease. And cavities start cropping up.”

      Additionally, they had better spacing due to eating tougher foods like high fiber items and tendons. So there’s less dental impacting like we have with wisdom teeth.

      • Fluffy Kitty Cat@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        en timme sedan

        Yeah things didn’t really get better until Modern Dentistry so it took several thousand years to get better than hunter-gatherer level

      • kautau@lemmy.world
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        fyra timmar sedan

        While true, they exist today, and have a life expectancy of like 30. So mostly they just die before their teeth decay.

        https://medium.com/@kennamai/the-truth-of-hunter-gatherers-the-healthiest-but-lower-life-expectancy-why-5bb2f149e165

        33% of children die by the age of 15.

        There is of course merit to us having active lifestyles, controlling calorie intake, and balancing our diets, but that’s in addition to the fact that we live almost 3x as long as we used to due to modern medicine, so we should continue to follow modern medicine, science, and nutrition.

        • TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world
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          tre timmar sedan

          Nothing in this article addressed tooth decay or dental formation issues.

          Also from the article:

          Hunter-gatherers who live until the age of 15 typically experience a lifespan of around 72 years. Among elderly hunter-gatherers, the incidence of diseases such as cancer and high blood pressure is very low. When recalculating the average lifespan excluding child mortality, the average lifespan for hunter-gatherers ranges from 68 to 78 years.

          I also never said we shouldn’t follow science or modern medicine.

  • will@lemm.eeEnglish
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    nio timmar sedan

    I know this is mostly a joke, but for anyone interested in this sort of thing I highly recommend you check out The Dawn of Everything, which goes into exhaustive detail about how in some places cities existed before agriculture, and in others agriculture existed for a long while without cities. (And by “check out” I mean prepare to devote long nights to reading with a million Wikipedia tabs open)

    • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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      sju timmar sedan

      I read through the summary, and it sounds a lot like how evolutionary development is perceived by the layperson vs. how complex it really is, including the deception that we are at some high point. So the next question in my mind, and based on the summary the authors left to explore as the answer is probably a difficult one to find - are there paths that could have been traveled which didn’t lead to similar messes like we find ourselves in? One assumption is always that capitalism and consumption and all that comes with them is inevitable. Maybe not? It would ruin this meme that I found very fitting for society, but that’s again based on an inevitable conclusion to be true.

      • will@lemm.eeEnglish
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        sex timmar sedan

        The premise is that humanity has had 10,000+ years to experiment with different ways of living on all corners of the Earth, so it’s ridiculous to say that the modern system that we’ve evolved with division of labor and accumulated wealth is the only possible way (or the inevitable way) - which was kinda the premise of Sapiens. And then they back it up with a ton of modern archaeological evidence. It’s a little dry and admittedly academic, but really compelling once you dig into it.

    • Tupper@reddthat.comEnglish
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      åtta timmar sedan

      Came to share the same text. It adds a needed level of complexity to this joke and has some incredibly eye opening connections between historical events. The world would be a better place if everyone read this book

  • tetris11@lemmy.ml
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    nio timmar sedan

    But I like my tech. I just wish it didn’t spy on me, and that we had better batteries for solar so that I can use my stuff guilt-free

    • Buttermilk@lemmy.ml
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      nio timmar sedan

      Right tech is rad, just sucks that absolute grosses of people get to decide how all of it works and what it’s used for.

        • Famko@lemmy.world
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          åtta timmar sedan

          Wouldn’t that be the state rather than the country? Or is that synonymous?

          • Buttermilk@lemmy.ml
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            åtta timmar sedan

            I guess I figured you can’t really have the lines in the sand without a state making them mean something.

            So yeah the distinction is worth making, and stateless is the end goal, but I reached for the bit 😁