https://lemmy.nz/post/18610200/13255360

This user describes how most of the women-centered communities on Lemmy were shut down due to harassment of their members.

Another user adds “We need a safe space, but most of the women I know on here don’t have the time or energy to moderate it. And there’s so few of us, it feels like it’s not worth the effort anyway.”

  • Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca
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    3 days ago

    Hi, new person in this conversation. I hope you don’t mind if I drop my two cents here.

    Cherry Picking is the practice of choosing evidence that supports your argument while ignoring evidence against it. It is also almost always intentional, or a result of ignorance, and the term carries negative connotations. Cherry picking is an accusation of bad faith arguing, and people will interpret it that way regardless of your intent.

    For ones own experiences, which are inherently anecdotal, the ancedotal fallacy might be more applicable. But it’s only a fallacy if that narrow view is used to make a broad claim. I don’t think pointing out the existence of a certain kind of conversation is very broad, and in the context of this thread just a few instances can have a large effect.

    I would even go so far as to argue that you are commiting an argument from ancedote when you dismiss the claim that harrassment exists with only your ancedotal evidence of not having seen it yourself. They brought sources, and you dismissed their experience as not good enough with no supporting evidence. If you really want to dismiss the notion that their evidence is significant, you could try seeing how many people interacted with those posts compared to average interactions for those communities, or checking how often you visit those communities to put your own experiences in context. Anything but dismissing them and refusing to engage with the intent of the message.

    It’s true that everyone is susceptible to confirmation bias and dozens of other faults of logic, and it’s also true that recognizing those faults is important for improving, but being so aggressive in the specifics of data validation can be alienating and will likely miss the intended message.

    Just my two cents, dismiss as you please. I do hope this ends up being useful to someone though.

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      Cherry picking is an accusation of bad faith arguing, and people will interpret it that way regardless of your intent.

      yup. thank you.

    • AnIndefiniteArticle@sh.itjust.works
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      Cherry Picking is the practice of choosing evidence that supports your argument while ignoring evidence against it.

      I agree with this definition.

      It is also almost always intentional, or a result of ignorance, and the term carries negative connotations. Cherry picking is an accusation of bad faith arguing,

      I disagree with this part.

      you dismiss the claim that harrassment exists with only your ancedotal evidence of not having seen it yourself.

      Not what I’m trying to do, and I’ve tried to be very explicit about that. I’m not dismissing that it exists, just that it’s severe or pervasive enough to be worth warning people away from this place. Minor incidents happen everywhere and should be dealt with accordingly. Title IX uses the metric of whether actions are “severe or pervasive”, and I think that that’s appropriate here as well. The problems pointed out by spujb are a problem that we should try to address, but are not a problem worth reacting to with slash and burn techniques advised.

      If you really want to dismiss the notion that their evidence is significant,

      I don’t. I really, really don’t. I’m trying to be as clear as possible that their evidence is valid and significant and ought to be taken seriously. I keep saying this. Please read my words.

      Just my two cents, dismiss as you please

      Thank you for sharing. Your thoughts are welcome.