Pure Marxist, Classical Marxist, Orthodox Marixst, whetever you want to call people who follow Marxism without Leninst or other interpretations.
Interesting that the only actual examples of Marxist countries are those that followed the Leninist model.
Nazi Germany also resisted the western imperialist order by trying to create their own imperial order.
Nazi Germany had an ideology that called for the extermination of millions of people. China and Russia do not.
Your point about Russia not even pretending to be socialist is very much true. Which makes it more baffling that some people on ML support it. Do they just support anything that isn’t western even if it’s arguably worse?
Can’t speak for ML, but Russia is a victim of US imperialism and offers resistance to the world order. It’s not “arguably worse” then the West, it is a result of the actions of the west that Russia exists in its current form.
Interesting that the only examples of Marxist countries followed the Leninist model
Perhaps because in China, Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam, anarcho-communists and anti-authoritarian marxsist fought the revolution alongside more authoritarian branches in “left unity” but were later brutally murdered by the regimes.
socialist world order
I’m not okay with a world order supported by countries like China and North Korea, pretending to be “socialist” while having murdered anarchists and people with disabilities and ethnic minorities.
Perhaps because in China, Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam, anarcho-communists and anti-authoritarian marxsist fought the revolution alongside more authoritarian branches in “left unity” but were later brutally murdered by the regimes.
At least they are AES. Just because they made mistakes in the early years of formation of the country, doesn’t mean you throw the whole country away.
pretending to be “socialist” while having murdered anarchists and people with disabilities and ethnic minorities.
Socialism is just when the workers own the means of production. Socialist countries can engage in humans right abuses and war crimes, it doesn’t make them not socialist anymore.
Literally ignoring the slaughter of Uyghurs and Ukranians, never mind how China is essentially building up the hate speech against Japan and Taiwan within the populace through their state controlled social networks. Get back to us when you can criticize China in the same way. Same for Russia, extreme jail sentences are dished out for anyone who criticizes Putin. You are too much of a caricature, and exactly what the meme refers to.
The USSR was a victim of trying to outimperial an imperialist power and going bankrupt, and now it’s an oligarchy with Putin at the top and any serious opposition dead and out the window / irradiated with polinium / poisoned by Novichok. China has literal execution vans driving around the country, has extended its secret police deep state overseas to intimidate Chinese who don’t play ball, and constantly rewrites its map to expand to land they want to claim as theirs. They are in border disputes with India, they are actively preparing to invade Taiwan, they have blockaded the island several times now, they have cooperated to cut undersea cables, have militarized fishing fleets that migrate world wide and bully local fishermen and exhaust the local stocks. And all you have is that raging desire to whatabout “b-b-but the US does it / does worse!” right about now and a whole bunch of rhetoric that makes you a puppet of it.
Russia is where it is at because it has chosen this road. Before Putin tried to use the myth of restablishing USSR to enlarge the rule of his oligarchy, it was well on its way to being quite influential in Europe, so much so that it was a major partner of Germany. Russia chose conquest and sides with dictators who exploit their people. It’s telling that the US is at its worst when it has the people who collude closest with Russia.
Interesting that the only actual examples of Marxist countries are those that followed the Leninist model.
Nazi Germany had an ideology that called for the extermination of millions of people. China and Russia do not.
Can’t speak for ML, but Russia is a victim of US imperialism and offers resistance to the world order. It’s not “arguably worse” then the West, it is a result of the actions of the west that Russia exists in its current form.
Perhaps because in China, Soviet Union, Cuba, North Korea and Vietnam, anarcho-communists and anti-authoritarian marxsist fought the revolution alongside more authoritarian branches in “left unity” but were later brutally murdered by the regimes.
I’m not okay with a world order supported by countries like China and North Korea, pretending to be “socialist” while having murdered anarchists and people with disabilities and ethnic minorities.
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At least they are AES. Just because they made mistakes in the early years of formation of the country, doesn’t mean you throw the whole country away.
Socialism is just when the workers own the means of production. Socialist countries can engage in humans right abuses and war crimes, it doesn’t make them not socialist anymore.
Literally ignoring the slaughter of Uyghurs and Ukranians, never mind how China is essentially building up the hate speech against Japan and Taiwan within the populace through their state controlled social networks. Get back to us when you can criticize China in the same way. Same for Russia, extreme jail sentences are dished out for anyone who criticizes Putin. You are too much of a caricature, and exactly what the meme refers to.
The USSR was a victim of trying to outimperial an imperialist power and going bankrupt, and now it’s an oligarchy with Putin at the top and any serious opposition dead and out the window / irradiated with polinium / poisoned by Novichok. China has literal execution vans driving around the country, has extended its secret police deep state overseas to intimidate Chinese who don’t play ball, and constantly rewrites its map to expand to land they want to claim as theirs. They are in border disputes with India, they are actively preparing to invade Taiwan, they have blockaded the island several times now, they have cooperated to cut undersea cables, have militarized fishing fleets that migrate world wide and bully local fishermen and exhaust the local stocks. And all you have is that raging desire to whatabout “b-b-but the US does it / does worse!” right about now and a whole bunch of rhetoric that makes you a puppet of it.
Russia is where it is at because it has chosen this road. Before Putin tried to use the myth of restablishing USSR to enlarge the rule of his oligarchy, it was well on its way to being quite influential in Europe, so much so that it was a major partner of Germany. Russia chose conquest and sides with dictators who exploit their people. It’s telling that the US is at its worst when it has the people who collude closest with Russia.
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