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I guess in the next 4 years Israel will show its true face.
They already have, a fascist dictator (Netanyahu) was allowed to consolidate power and declare martial law to avoid being sentenced to life in prison.
Now he is dictator of Isreal as long as he can extend this “war”, which will be as long as he possibly can.
After Netanyahu ran out of legitimate targets from the Oct attack last year he just had the military keep killing everyone they could find who wasn’t a jew.
He’s a dictator committing a genocide so he doesn’t have to go to prison.
As a German, this seems like a cruel joke to me - “Because of our Nazi history, we are committed to protecting against an ICC warrant the person currently performing a genocide, establishing camps to “concentrate” refugees and then even bombing said camps”.
Fuck our government. This is about a war criminal and in my opinion it’s absolutely furthering antisemitism to allow the Israeli government to continue these atrocities. The best way to reduce antisemitism is to have the Israeli government commit less atrocities.
Yeah they took the wrong lesson from ww2. Its not about jewish people and antisemitists, its about innocent people and people who commit genocides. Both jewish people and non-jews can be genociders and innocent people.
it is sad that this even needs to be said… Fully agreed…
That is pathetic and shame on the SPD. A murderer is a murderer and I do not give a shit about their religious background and history. I refuse to vote for the AfD and Linke, but sometimes the SPD pisses me off.
Because of nostalgia then?
Germany sure does love their genocides.
So sick of this comment. They don’t do this because they like genocide, the problem is unwavering loyalty to Israel
uh…
excuse me but…
WHAT THE GOD DAMN FUCK?
This I would say shows that they actually learned nothing from that experience. If there was anyone in the international community that should arrest yahu on the spot it’s Germany. I’m curious did Germany extend the same to the Hamas leader the ICC put a warrant out on? otherwise I’d say they’re guilty of playing favourites. Lets go one further, how about Putin? Is it only b/c he is Jewish? then that’s just discrimination.
And its Nazi present, apparently Great move using the Holocaust to justify another genocide though. Really shows how much was learnt there.
My guess is that they are saying this because in September 2023 they made a deal with Israel to buy their missile defense system. Instead of buying a European version with the French mind you, but that’s a whole other stupid fucking can of worms.
Well, October 2023 passed by and then it got a bit trickier over time to support Israel. But besides demands to maintain humanitarian care for Gazans, my government has done nothing of substance to stop supporting Israel. It is beyond shameful, this decision will haunt us in the future when Israel inevitably loses its position and we have to answer why we are so stupid to buy from Israeli right wing extremists (and the US) to begin with instead of starting EU projects if we have to. Not to mention the biggest thing, supporting open genocide.
We always talk big about EU stronk, but I can’t help to sympathize with the French (and other EU govs) when they are pissed at my country. We have taken the call every time the US wants something instead of considering European interests plus have run austerity for 20 years now in every government in the time period. We have a real knack for getting ourselves into a dependency of big powers, even Russia with their gas. We lack any vision how to fix our problems and build a strong European union while being the biggest member. Meanwhile the right builds it’s own vision, fortress europe. Thanks Merkel, thanks Scholz, you’re really good at managing.
All this to say my government sucks because they won’t arrest Bibi. Fuck that guy and frankly fuck Israel for committing a genocide. Thank you for listening to my Ted talk.
How ridiculous is it to rely an army on a missile system from a colony which Germany needs to kiss the floor for? If they can’t even count on Israel to deliver the weapons unless they support their war crimes what is the point of relying on that.
No one told me that Jews have a crime pass in Germany. I need to start planning cooler vacations.
If you are an anti-zionist Jew in Germany you’ll face a brunt of repressions. German “anti antisemitism” comissioners even go as far as calling anti-zionist Jews “allegedly jewish”, thereby deciding who are “good” and “bad” Jews.
Ah yes Germans judging how Jewish people are for…reasons. Never change Dooshland
Do you have sources?
Ctrl+F didn’t turn up any results for your quote (“alleged”/“allegedly”) , and I’m not going to read the whole article searching for what you might have meant instead.
I am sorry. It was not mentioned in the article, but the podcast.
Here is another interview where it is mentioned
https://jacobin.com/2024/03/the-cost-of-germanys-guilt-politics
Here is the “Dienstaufsichtsbeschwerde” (complaint about the violation of duty by a public official) by the German Jewish Voice for Peace reacting to the attack by the anti antisemitism commissioner Michael Blume of the state Baden Wurtemmberg:
Here is the Tweet of Blume. His exact wording was “vorgeblich” which translates to “allegedly” but more in the sense of “pretending to be”.
Thanks!
I think “vorgeblich” has some more nuance, as it does not say the claim is necessarily wrong (https://de.wiktionary.org/wiki/vorgeblich). But like I said in the other sub-thread: he is very wrong with this statement (addendum: and in his job). It’s still a different picture than one might imagine when hearing “German government officials are deciding whether you are jewish enough” (which you didn’t write, but apparently was understood like that by other commenters).
The key points in this and many other examples where Jewish anti-zionists are targeted, be it by such verbal attacks, deplatforming or police violence are imo.:
- Germany (as in gov. officials and politicians) feels entitled to make value judgements about jewish people
- Germany does not extend its support and protection to jewish people because of the German history. This support is conditional on them adhering to the idea of how the Jews should and shouldnt be.
- Germany conflates jewish identity with the state of Israel and setting a sort of equality to it. Ironically that is an example of antisemitism by some definitions including thr IHRA preffered by German politics.
- The guilt and responsibility is increasingly shifted onto Arab and other immigrants often highly critical of Israel. This serves to absolve Germany from the still rampant “Nazi-antisemitism” but is mainly used to justify racism against the groups “importing” antisemitism.
So once again German government officials judge as to who are “good” or “bad” or well “real” Jews. The fundamental being that those who fall into the categories acceptable are championed as examples in a sometimes absurd way (philosemitism) and those who are outside these categoroes get targeted with repressions.
But it is very simple. Jewish people are people like anyone else. Be it by religion or ethnicity, there is people of all sorts of personal, societal and political identities. Where they face discrimination because of their jewish identity it needs to be adressed and there should be a special emphasis on this, due to the German history. But it cannot and must not be conflated with the state of Israel and allegiance to it.
> Asks for source
> Unwilling to read source
It’s not a source for a quote if the quote does not show up in the link.
edit: the fact that this gets downvoted really says a lot about the quality of the discussion :D
Blume was embroiled in a small scandal after he referred to Jüdische Stimme as “ostensibly Jewish” on Twitter
Blume demurred, claiming that, while he was happy to accept anyone’s self-definition as Jewish as a matter of personal religious freedom, he was not sure whether the group’s members counted as members of the Jewish religious communities that are legal partners of the German state
In Germany, membership in religious communities is regulated by state-designated institutions, meaning that to be officially Jewish, one must join the Jüdische Gemeinde, the state-affiliated Jewish community
“I don’t know how to read”
“We wont arrest Netanyahu because of our Nazi History, and the fact that it warms our blood to see a faithful brother of the Reich rise up and continue Hitlers work. Sieg Heil, Netanyahu!”
Arresting one man and arresting millions as slave labor and then gassing them are two very different things.
I can see their point but it’s a bad comparison. This seems to me to basically be a PR decision. I don’t know how much was backing Netanyahu before, but I think it would be a better look if they arrested him to stop the genocide.
Are they saying they’re choosing to continue that history?
Yes
As they have since the Namibia Genocide which gets conveniently swept under the rug
Swept under by officially recognized? Are you the 1/3?
New plan, convert to Judaism, move to Germany, rob a bank, and get away Scott free.
No, no. This only works if you commit a genocide.
Move to Germany and slaughter everyone in AfD
Since when is a religion a defense against war crimes
Since religion was invented.
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