• rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    I respect the sentiment, but I recently read “Exiting the Vampire Castle” by Mark Fisher and he makes some good points for why callout culture is, shall we say, “less than productive” in some situations.

    • A Cool Dude@lemmy.mlOPM
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      3 months ago

      Dude, .world defederated from lemmygrad and Hexbear. They are the ones who have a censorship problem

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        3 months ago

        I support .world defederating from whoever they wish, same as I support .ml running their own instance the way they want to run it.

      • AwesomeLowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        3 months ago

        Have you read through the thread? Tons of examples of admin abuse. I fully expect to cop another ban for this comment thread soon.

        Also, I would disagree with calling defederation ‘censorship’. Nobody was prevented from speaking up. Refusal to engage with somebody you disagree with is not censorship.

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          3 months ago

          Preventing people from interacting with whole instances is the ultimate form of censorship. Deleting comments is nothing compared to literally deleting all the users from one instance.

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      3 months ago

      Alt text there:

      I can’t remember where I heard this, but someone once said that defending a position by citing free speech is sort of the ultimate concession; you’re saying that the most compelling thing you can say for your position is that it’s not literally illegal to express.

      I totally agree, it’s like calling your opponent bot, voids a lot of what you have to say

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        3 months ago

        it’s like calling your opponent bot, voids a lot of what you have to say

        That’s not quite the same. When calling someone a bot, or nazi, or any other group, you are more explicitly saying " I see zero value in arguing with you and expect that you will only be arguing in bad faith, so I am not going to humor you", and also serves as an at least attempted black mark.

        It’s overall just a tactic to end an argument sucinctly, by trying to say “this argument has run its course, I am cutting it off here”

        Every group does it. communists call people libs or nazis, leftists call people tankies or nazis or zionists, liberals call people hippies, nazis, commies, anarchists, etc… and conservatives call people by every word in the book.