Here’s the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let’s look at three scenarios:
Scenario 1:
Harris: 1001 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 0 votes
Harris wins
Scenario 2:
Harris: 1000 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 1 vote
Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power
Scenario 3:
Harris: 999 votes
Trump: 1000 votes
Stein: 2 votes
Trump wins outright
This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they’re the ones funding the Green Party.
And that’s why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she’s doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.
Babe any realistic scenario where both due Stein world affect positive change.
Name any realistic scenario where voting for red or blue would affect positive change
I voted for blue in San Francisco and they reduced carbon emissions by 50% despite population growth of 12% and GDP growth of 226%.
I voted for blue in California and they invested $54 billion into transit.
I voted for blue in the US Government and they gave us the single greatest, most ambitious program addressing climate change in the history of the world.
All the charts posted in this thread show that current emissions are pretty much as high as they were in 1990. The current government is fueling a war in gaza, in ukraine and yemen among other places. The US army is one of the biggest polluter in the world, instead of cutting military budget and operations the government is increasing these year by year, regardless of who is in power.
The “most ambitious program addressing climate change in the history of the world” still doesn’t consider something as simple as banning private jets and yachts.
If you want any real change and reduce emissions significantly stop advocating for parties that for the past decades have created the crisis we are in.
But Biden made some inappropriate remarks! Both sides are the same!
Look at the emission charts, both parties for the past decades haven’t really do shit about climate. They have actually helped creating the crisis we are in by backing corporations and consumerism. Also look at what both parties are doing now.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/8/death-sentence-asbestos-released-by-israels-bombs-will-kill-generations
Emissions are going down.
The Democrats are very very far from ideal but they are trying to make the life of the average American better and they’re trying (to little, to late, admittedly) to do something about climate change. The other side actively wants to kill as many Americans as they can and generally fuck up the world in every way possible. If you don’t have your head stuck up your own arse really far, the difference is very clear to see.
Both sides are responsible for the climate crisis we are in right now. Instead of advocating for one of them use your energies to advocate for someone better that would actually do something for climate and not just green washing
And who would that be?
Anyone who isn’t responsible for the climate crisis or involved in it.
Yet another cop-out.
Because people like this have no platform. They have no plan. They screech and wail, as if caterwauling is panacea.
“Fix the climate!”
“End homelessness!”
“Stop the genocide!”
But when pressed as to how to effect these changes, they almost invariably resort to maligning your morals, denigrating your doubts, and calumniating your civility.
I chose to vote for Blue last presidential election and Biden made a real difference with the IRA. Much to my surprise. It isn’t enough, but it is a step.