Then I’m not sure why you thought I called him a Nazi, I was very clear about what I was accusing him of and apparently you agree (though, on second reading it doesn’t look like you said you agreed, just that you warned him, so maybe you don’t agree with my accusation?)
Not my fault he picked that particular bigoted apple off that particular tree. (not that picking a bigoted apple makes one a bigot)
But I also need to be neutral, so I’ll leave it to his input if he takes offence to your comparison. I try not to make Nazi comparisons, as it never ends well, you should try the same.
1st off, I think the nazi-card is pulled too often in these discussions and it kinda trivialises or cheapens the significance. Saying someone is ‘a nazi’ or 'acting just like the 'Itler ’ really comes off more like a cheap attempt at a veiled insult than a real argument that helps the discussion in even the slightest way.
When I confronted one off my friends who I discuss politics with why she was always so, so eager to make comparisons with the nazi’s when discussing Palestine, I guess I got an honest answer when she told me it’s because she thinks “that’s what would annoy/anger the Israelis the most”… It’s like I’m in some bizarro world where no-one remembers why Godwin’s Law was one of the internet memes of old, and the joke is no longer on those throwing out that card like it’s free (it is) . With the added bonus that it’s “just to hurt the jews” lol
So I’m afraid that if you want your discussion forum to rise above a certain level of shit you’ll need to sanitize that kind of dumbfuckery somewhat. Not because of ‘grave personal insult’ but because Godwin.
2ndly, I think moderation should be used very, very sparingly. Like, very. Sometimes people get emotional in political discussions and that should be allowed.
I’ve actually reported two users myself since Lemmy, but those were for stalking me with a copypaste and someone wishing me to kill myself or something (imagine going against the grain in discussions on Palestine hah)
So I’d say moderation should preferably be used to warn users not to act childish to eachother. We are all children that need to be reminded to act like adults from time to time.
With the above in mind I think it’s good this is called out once in a while by a mod, but I don’t think it should be more than that. Ffs I’m someone who can enjoy a joke about children starving - I don’t require a safe space.
Thirdly, if you’re flat out asking me whether I feel like he called me a nazi: yes, I do. As you quoted him he said I was doing the same thing the nazis did. If we ask eachother not to call eachother nazis, or as he said being a nazi, that clearly means to compare someone to a nazi in the intellectual sense. Saying you’re only breaking that rule when you say that someone is sitting behind their computer with a nazi uniform on and an authentic membership card of the NSDAP in their pocket is just plain dishonest.
So to conclude: I’d say no shadowban needed but they should be forced to join the “IOF”. Plenty of communists in there btw
Then I’m not sure why you thought I called him a Nazi, I was very clear about what I was accusing him of and apparently you agree (though, on second reading it doesn’t look like you said you agreed, just that you warned him, so maybe you don’t agree with my accusation?)
Not my fault he picked that particular bigoted apple off that particular tree. (not that picking a bigoted apple makes one a bigot)
I don’t see an issue with it, no.
But I also need to be neutral, so I’ll leave it to his input if he takes offence to your comparison. I try not to make Nazi comparisons, as it never ends well, you should try the same.
Erm. Well. That’s rough, but I can’t say I didn’t expect it.
silly, I was saying your nazi comment was fine but it’s up to them to decide if it’s not
1st off, I think the nazi-card is pulled too often in these discussions and it kinda trivialises or cheapens the significance. Saying someone is ‘a nazi’ or 'acting just like the 'Itler ’ really comes off more like a cheap attempt at a veiled insult than a real argument that helps the discussion in even the slightest way.
When I confronted one off my friends who I discuss politics with why she was always so, so eager to make comparisons with the nazi’s when discussing Palestine, I guess I got an honest answer when she told me it’s because she thinks “that’s what would annoy/anger the Israelis the most”… It’s like I’m in some bizarro world where no-one remembers why Godwin’s Law was one of the internet memes of old, and the joke is no longer on those throwing out that card like it’s free (it is) . With the added bonus that it’s “just to hurt the jews” lol
So I’m afraid that if you want your discussion forum to rise above a certain level of shit you’ll need to sanitize that kind of dumbfuckery somewhat. Not because of ‘grave personal insult’ but because Godwin.
2ndly, I think moderation should be used very, very sparingly. Like, very. Sometimes people get emotional in political discussions and that should be allowed.
I’ve actually reported two users myself since Lemmy, but those were for stalking me with a copypaste and someone wishing me to kill myself or something (imagine going against the grain in discussions on Palestine hah)
So I’d say moderation should preferably be used to warn users not to act childish to eachother. We are all children that need to be reminded to act like adults from time to time.
With the above in mind I think it’s good this is called out once in a while by a mod, but I don’t think it should be more than that. Ffs I’m someone who can enjoy a joke about children starving - I don’t require a safe space.
Thirdly, if you’re flat out asking me whether I feel like he called me a nazi: yes, I do. As you quoted him he said I was doing the same thing the nazis did. If we ask eachother not to call eachother nazis, or as he said being a nazi, that clearly means to compare someone to a nazi in the intellectual sense. Saying you’re only breaking that rule when you say that someone is sitting behind their computer with a nazi uniform on and an authentic membership card of the NSDAP in their pocket is just plain dishonest.
So to conclude: I’d say no shadowban needed but they should be forced to join the “IOF”. Plenty of communists in there btw
I agree with everything you’ve said, very well put.
I hope you hold me responsible to my moderating!